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I automated my job application process

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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by itronitron »

cute_boi wrote: post #53
imnotjames wrote: post #28

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I've run into the same thing. We don't even have the job posted publicly anywhere and we get >100 submissions per day. Many are duplicates. I've found some that with some minor research turn out to be foreign organized crime. A large number of them had the exact same cover letter with changes in the names and past jobs. Not only is it difficult to find candidates that actually fit the job role, it's hard to go throug…

It seems that many processes, from interviews to real work, are increasingly manipulated. I've noticed a pattern with candidates employed by certain consulting companies, especially in Texas and New Jersey. These companies often recruit low-cost labor from India, craft fake resumes, and submit them to platforms like LinkedIn. During interviews, candidates use tools like HDMI dual-screen setups, ChatGPT, Otter AI, or…

why would you ever task an employee to implement a LinkedList?

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Post by gray_-_wolf »

bdangubic wrote: post #264
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #258

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If you (the company) send me a company laptop to use for that shit, sure, we can interview that way. It is the same deal with Teams and Zoom. None of that shit is touching my personal devices, it is strictly limited to the work machine.

have you ever taken a certification exam remotely from your own computer?

No.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by icedrift »

mhb wrote: post #263
nsxwolf wrote: post #23

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What’s our alternative? It doesn’t seem to be “carefully consider and apply to a handful of highly relevant postings”. I don’t see the downsides for candidates to play the numbers game.

Charge $x for a candidate to apply for your job. Put the money in an escrow pool. Pay it to the person you hire for the job. Idea 2: Bid to have yourself reviewed for the job. Money goes in escrow pool.

Betting currency is a terrible solution, especially at the junior level when people are trying to start their careers. On the other hand, forcing candidates to invest time and in exchange guaranteeing their application will be reviewed could work well.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by selimthegrim »

mvanbaak wrote: post #152
pknomad wrote: post #141

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I am a Platform Engineer and it feels like your experience mirrors mine. Like you, our challenge is filtering out large volume but also filtering out LLM abusers. We're not opposed to people using LLMs, when appropriate. I find that candidates inappropriately use it to circumvent the process and that is a big deal for me (and our team). We try to do the right thing(TM) by the candidates by creating minimal interview…

Fellow Platform Engineer here, and I can relate 100% with your comment. We decided to stop announcing our engineering jobs and go back to mouth to mouth for sourcing candidates for now. It's a move I didn't want to make as, like you said, it means a lot of less networked engineers will not know about it and all. but for now this was the only way we got rid of the constant stream of letters from AI.

>mouth to mouth for sourcing candidates for now

Well, I certainly hope your revival rate is better than your hiring success rate.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by kevinventullo »

bovermyer wrote: post #269
cj wrote: post #262

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> I also switched to only on-site interviews. My initial technical screenings are still done remotely. Pro tip for anyone hiring engineers for remote positions: Tell the applicant that there “might be” an in person technical assessment, even if you know the process will be 100% remote. The amount of fake candidates at the moment is insane. The only thing that makes fake candidates self-select out is knowing there’s t…

I agree with this approach. In this field, unless you're hiring a junior engineer, you can have a reasonable expectation that a potential candidate will fly out for an interview even if it's a 100% remote job. If they refuse, well, there's a chance it's just because they can't afford to. The chance is far greater, though, that you dodged a bullet.

To be clear, you expect candidates to fly out on their own dime just for the interview?

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Post by KennyBlanken »

salomon812 wrote: post #231
floating-io wrote: post #215

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The counter argument is that firing too slowly can be a serious drag on morale. Leaving your team to carry dead weight can really suck for the team. Ask me how I know... :)

Okay, so the original argument is about whether or not it's worth it to fly people out for an on-site. Hotel and airfare: $2000 absolute max. Salary at $100/hr for one month for me to figure out it's not going to work out, then pull the trigger to fire: $24,000. I mean, being a manager is hard, but putting in the time and money to hire and then putting in the time to make sure your team doesn't have a morale drag, it…

$17k/month, not $24k?

If you're paying people $290k a year, no kidding you should bring them in for an on-site interview?

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #145
codegeek wrote: post #12

Nice. But as a hiring manager, this is the last thing we want. Flooded with auto submitted Resumes. I posted a job recently and got 100+ resumes in 2 days and 99% were not even remotely close to being a good fit. I struggled to sort through so many Resumes to find someone worth interviewing. The problem is that with so much noise, good candidates may get ignored or rejected by mistake. And the cycle continues. I get…

Public job board listings have always been flooded with low-effort spam applicants, but AI tools have supercharged the problem. The saddest part to me is watching the AI and social media malaise infect young mentees. I’ve been doing volunteer mentoring for years. Recent cohorts have been infected with a sense that the job market is nothing more than a game that they need to min-max. It’s sad to see smart, motivated y…

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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by bdangubic »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #273
bdangubic wrote: post #264

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have you ever taken a certification exam remotely from your own computer?

No.

you might be slightly more receptive to this idea if you have, the company administering the exam needs to ensure no cheating is happening so app starts, all your other apps are shutdown, you get a call through the app to show your surroundings with the camera on your laptop etc before exam begins. at no point in time did I find any of it intrusive or strange, I wanted to get the exam done remotely, they need to ensure that I wasn’t cheating
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