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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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That could be a nail in the coffin to end VW, the EU GDPR is quite a sharp weapon.

The problem was caused by Cariad, not VW directly. Cariad will be held responsible for, not VW.

That's not how the GDPR works. Cariad may be a subcontractor (data processor in GDPR speak) for VW, but the driver does not have a contract with Cariad -- their contract is with VW (the data controller in GDPR speak). The data controller is always jointly liable with the processor for 3rd-party data breaches.

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I hate touchscreen buttons too and unfortunately all EVs I've seen have adopted that. I wonder if there are EVs with good old fashioned mechanical buttons.

Many EVs have a sensible amount of buttons, and you generally don’t need the touchscreen for driving or much else for that matter. I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting. Around here (where we have many immigrants and some odd practices) I’ve seen people with a towel hanging over their screen while driving, to protect it like a dust cover I guess. The one thing you might argue I do need from my s…

I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting

At least you're still acknowledging the abysmal state of modern cars by including this statement. Why on earth would anyone expect otherwise from a car?

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EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

I hate touchscreen buttons too and unfortunately all EVs I've seen have adopted that. I wonder if there are EVs with good old fashioned mechanical buttons.

The Polestar 2 is pretty good in this regard. All the most important things are on the steering wheel stalks, steering wheel buttons, and a few buttons for things like demist, play/pause and volume control on the centre console. There's still a lot on the touchscreen, including climate control, but it seems to hit a pretty good balance for me (and I'm not a fan on car touchscreens).

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Too big to fail and too much of it is state owned, either directly, or through government-owned retirement funds. The government will investigate itself and find no wrongdoings, let's go after the journalists who committed the ultimate crime: Embarassing Officials.

Oh yea, that big gubmint is the one to blame! Never mind that it's a for-profit company that does the surveiling, and wrote the faulty IT structure. Neoliberal religion runs deep...

supervisory board of VW has 20 members, state of Lower Saxony appoints 2 (as a minority shareholder), workforce elects 7 among themselves, and 3 are trade union representatives also elected by the workforce.

no one is denying it's a for profit company, but its governance model doesn't really scream "neoliberalism". assuming you're from the US, (German) enterprises like VW are vastly different from what exists in the US, not just in the terms of their structure but also their influence on Germany and EU.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

You can convert an old car to EV. There are comoanies speciliazing in this, mostly to convert classics that needed a ton of maintenance.

Expensive yes but might be worth it if you value your privacy.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

You can convert an old car to EV. There are comoanies speciliazing in this, mostly to convert classics that needed a ton of maintenance. Expensive yes but might be worth it if you value your privacy.

me thinks anyone with a cell phone in this year of our Lord 2024 should not say they worry about privacy in any context. instead of converting old car to EV I’d start by converting a rotary phone to a portable one :)

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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post #103
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many EVs have a sensible amount of buttons, and you generally don’t need the touchscreen for driving or much else for that matter. I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting. Around here (where we have many immigrants and some odd practices) I’ve seen people with a towel hanging over their screen while driving, to protect it like a dust cover I guess. The one thing you might argue I do need from my s…

I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting At least you're still acknowledging the abysmal state of modern cars by including this statement. Why on earth would anyone expect otherwise from a car?

if you are ever in the middle of highway (especially if you are traveling with loved ones) when your EV suddenly reboots you will understand why one does not expect shit to work… the anxiety is unlike most thing one can experience… I think 100% reverse of your comment but talking from a different real experiences.

EVs are computers on wheels, expecting them to work during reboot is not unlike expecting vim to work during a reboot :)

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#109

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

Thank you for summarizing my feeling so succinctly.

The simplicity makes me think that law-makers can understand it.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#110

Why the sideways fuck did they even have location data to begin with? It's like the checklist for buying a new car starts with figuring out what circuit drives the cell modem and pop that fuse out before taking a test drive to confirm it doesn't brick anything critical. Fucking ridiculous.

Mobile apps (one of our cars in a VW ID.4, and I can see where it is right now), as well as repo/theft recovery.
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