Ah, here's my daily reminder to treat my 2005 Honda like a princess and hope it never, ever dies.
VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
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#12Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry?
Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit.
I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
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#13Ah, here's my daily reminder to treat my 2005 Honda like a princess and hope it never, ever dies.
I plan to buy old used cars forever when I can no longer keep my 2013 Subie going.
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#14That could be a nail in the coffin to end VW, the EU GDPR is quite a sharp weapon.
The problem was caused by Cariad, not VW directly. Cariad will be held responsible for, not VW.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary it's relatively simple to understand how it got there trivially. Most modern cars, especially ones that fit into more "luxury" brands have an app. That app gives you telemetry and location data for a price. It's rather convenient to be able to pre-condition your car, or figure out where you parked in a massive unlabeled parking lot, etc. This is all consented to, but regardless the data is tracked any…
Eh, "consented to" is rather weak when you are forced to hit the "I agree" button to be able to drive the car you bought. That and forced arbitration need to die posthaste.
I refuse to believe that it’s not possible to drive the car without the app.
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#16If it so bad there is actually a whistleblower then how do they pass their ISO27001 audits? Bit too friendly with TUV Nord?
https://cariad.technology/content/dam/digitalmindofmobility/...
EDIT: Just noticed this is an ISO9001 certificate. Though on their job offer site they do ask for "Foundational understanding of security related regulations and standards preferred (e.g. ISO21434, ISO27001, NIST-800)". Unclear if they are actually ISO 27001. Found the 9001 one by fluke, they don't seem to list that one on their site either.
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#17Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
Opt in you mean, like the cookie banners?
Oh no that'll never happen because VW are a European company and the money is in fining US tech companies!
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#18Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
The reason for all that telemetry is the legislation. How do you think they are going to implement the full “intelligent” speed assistant in 2027?
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#19Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
Opt in you mean, like the cookie banners? Oh no that'll never happen because VW are a European company and the money is in fining US tech companies!
European companies get fined the same as any other companies.
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#20I so hope this will start an avalanche and car companies will not be able to get away with collecting so much data about users (cars, but that's pretty close).
Especially in the EU, the hypocrisy is jarring: on one hand, GDPR, protecting users from surveillance by businesses, etc, and on the other hand, car companies get a free pass, because they are car companies, and the EU likes car companies.