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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by FabHK »

srockets wrote: post #287
mikeortman wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just be careful! In SOME jurisdictions, you can get in trouble for 'stealing' if you take back something that was stolen. Possession vs Ownership are 2 different things. For instance, the thief may have stolen something, sold it to someone who bought it in good-faith, and you take it back from that person, it's technically theft! File a police report, go through the right channels. If you know its yours, call the pol…

The police won’t help you. It’s not their job.

I was in Singapore in 2013 and there was a big sign on a street saying:

Crime Alert

THEFT OF BICYCLE

AT THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD

ON 20 MARCH 2013 @ 7 AM

Witnesses, please call Tanglin Police Division

(phone number redacted)

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by selfmodruntime »

kleton wrote: post #438
victorbjorklund wrote: post #413

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Not everywhere. In Sweden that would be a crime (a little bit depending on what you mean left in the open).

What kind of anarcho-tyranny is that?

European countries sometimes have a rather repulsive legal system that provides far too much protection to perpetrators.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by Diti »

theultdev wrote: post #374
TuringNYC wrote: post #217

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Agreed on the trade-off. And there are some absolutely 1000% winning use cases (lost cats, lost dogs, lost luggage). However, lets look at the constraints and outcomes: - Me or other people need to be around (since airtags jump off others' devices) This removes use cases like tracking lost marine goods, tracking lost drones, etc. - Item being tracked has to be big enough to be worth the extra size/weight of the long…

> This removes most common use cases like wallets, remotes, etc. I use an airtag for my wallet and apple remote. https://ridge.com/products/carbon-case-for-airtag https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09G4PT3NJ

For 10 USD more than the carbon case, I prefer using the following item for my wallet. https://nomadgoods.com/products/tracking-card

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by lotsofpulp »

dylan604 wrote: post #224
lotsofpulp wrote: post #218

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That concept encompasses a ton of gray area. For example, did the ancestors of the person you are stealing from enslave your ancestors? Or more simply, are you or your children going to go hungry? At the limit, the rule is always might makes right. Until then, the question is how much are you willing to give up to re-order the status quo? (A reordering that may or may not end up in your favor)

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. You're saying a double negative makes a right? Vengeance is mine sayeth you?

Almost everyone can be put into a situation where they rationalize a “negative” into a not negative, most easily visible in cases in which the item being disputed is a scarce resource essential to survival.

> the concept of that's not yours and is actually someone else's isn't the most compelling reason?

At its core, this concept is more of a truce where multiple parties agree that the costs of physical violence are not worth it, because the alternative is more acceptable. Hence the saying that “society is only 3 or 6 or 9 meals away from revolution”.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by yonatan8070 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #198
TuringNYC wrote: post #191

Nice solution, but the bigger problem is how AirTags can basically be turned off, which makes it poor for many use cases. Of course, I get it from Apple's perspective, they dont want AirTags to be used to tail others. However, that precludes it from being used for theft tracking. For example, I use an AirTag on my bicycle. If someone steals the bicycle, they are literally informed "an air tag is following you" https:…

Theft-tracking is sort of an "off-label" use for AirTags, from Apple's perspective. They'd rather make AirTags less generally useful than make them both more generally useful + open to stalking occurrences and lawsuits.

I don't understand why AirTags being used for stalking would open Apple to lawsuits. If I buy a hammer and use it to attack someone, the manufacturer of the hammer isn't open to a lawsuit.

Of course I'm not saying Apple shouldn't try to protect people from stalkers using their control over their products, I just don't see why it would make Appld responsible if someone misused their products.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by randallsquared »

ostacke wrote: post #400
nostromo wrote: post #263

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I’d be curious what jurisdiction that is true. In my jurisdiction in the US it doesn’t matter if someone purchased the stolen goods or not, the goods still belong to the owner. This is sometimes called the "nemo dat" rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemo_dat_quod_non_habet The person buying the stolen goods would need to file a claim against the thief to recover their money, but the goods still belong to the origi…

Sweden is one such jurisdiction[1]. You can only retake what has been stolen from you if it is done shortly after the theft. [1] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%A4lvt%C3%A4kt

...as appropriate for a culture of Viking raids, one would suppose!

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by TuringNYC »

theultdev wrote: post #374
TuringNYC wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on the trade-off. And there are some absolutely 1000% winning use cases (lost cats, lost dogs, lost luggage). However, lets look at the constraints and outcomes: - Me or other people need to be around (since airtags jump off others' devices) This removes use cases like tracking lost marine goods, tracking lost drones, etc. - Item being tracked has to be big enough to be worth the extra size/weight of the long…

> This removes most common use cases like wallets, remotes, etc. I use an airtag for my wallet and apple remote. https://ridge.com/products/carbon-case-for-airtag https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09G4PT3NJ

Were talking about the extended battery case, are you saying you put this giant thing in your wallet and on your remotes?! https://www.elevationlab.com/blogs/news/introducing-timecaps...

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by TuringNYC »

csomar wrote: post #337
TuringNYC wrote: post #191

Nice solution, but the bigger problem is how AirTags can basically be turned off, which makes it poor for many use cases. Of course, I get it from Apple's perspective, they dont want AirTags to be used to tail others. However, that precludes it from being used for theft tracking. For example, I use an AirTag on my bicycle. If someone steals the bicycle, they are literally informed "an air tag is following you" https:…

> Nice solution, but the bigger problem is how AirTags can basically be turned off, which makes it poor for many use cases. Isn't that too late? If you disabled that AirTag with your phone, you are probably the thief. Now we got you fully I.D.ed. It seems that the safest bet, for a thief/criminal, is to not take any iPhone (or phone) on him while committing the crime.

Thanks for this - I never thought that the act of disabling would create a record, but that makes sense! I wonder if that is something law enforcement can track and act on.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by TuringNYC »

yonatan8070 wrote: post #445
unsupp0rted wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theft-tracking is sort of an "off-label" use for AirTags, from Apple's perspective. They'd rather make AirTags less generally useful than make them both more generally useful + open to stalking occurrences and lawsuits.

I don't understand why AirTags being used for stalking would open Apple to lawsuits. If I buy a hammer and use it to attack someone, the manufacturer of the hammer isn't open to a lawsuit. Of course I'm not saying Apple shouldn't try to protect people from stalkers using their control over their products, I just don't see why it would make Appld responsible if someone misused their products.

IANAL but the hammer doesnt include an ongoing service, but the AirTag is facilitated with a constant service from the manufacturer.
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