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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by KoftaBob »

chvid wrote: post #278
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

Yes. Plenty of Teslas on the street in China but no Chinese cars on the street in the US. Lets see what the next chapter is; as you said reciprocity is key ...

If you want to use that analogy, a big reason Chinese cars aren't in the US is because the Chinese government heavily subsidizes their car production, which would lead to unfair price competition with other carmakers.

If you want true reciprocity there, China would either need to stop subsidizing their carmakers, or the US would need to add heavy tariffs to their cars to level the playing field.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by j-bos »

franczesko wrote: post #406
kelnos wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

"any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms" Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do The elephant in the room, is that content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, so if majority of population prefer to watch brainwash content, it's due to their choice, not algorithm's

> Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do Great point

> content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, ... due to their choice, not algorithm's Mixed, no production algorithm is without fingers on the scale.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by corimaith »

t0bia_s wrote: post #416
tester756 wrote: post #387

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Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

Is 4chan banned here?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Spooky23 »

tgma wrote: post #171
gtsop wrote: post #142

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> This was a decision made by the US Congress. It is by definition not authoritarian. Clearly the US Congress represents the will of the majority...

The US Congress is not supposed to represent the will of the majority. It is supposed to represent "the will of the people," which is distinct, by design. The actual implementation might have imperfections but tries to reflect the "will of the people" as the framers interpreted it. Either way, there is a large spectrum between whatever it is and "authoritarian."

The house represents the people. The Senate represents the powers that be in each state.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by mda »

xnx wrote: post #386
epolanski wrote: post #345

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I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true. We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms. HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth: https://youtu.be/5CZNlaeZAtw?si=-4f7Pyww-nazCrSM

The biggest manipulation seems to be people thinking that TikTok is brainwashing the youths.

When I see people looking at Tiktok videos in the bus, they usually look like possessed by something, a few seconds of gaze with glassy eyes, flip, flip, flip. It is so weird, I feel a bit sick in my stomach when I see it. Regardless of its potential as a brainwashing and manipulation vector, I personally completely banned it in my household (facebook/ instagram was always banned).

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by corimaith »

Cookingboy wrote: post #265
itake wrote: post #125

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American citizens can use the multitude of copy cat apps for their freedom of speech. If it was about freedom of speech the gov would have requested all the apps to censor the topics, not banning one app.

>multitude of copy cat apps for their freedom of speech. Except they can't. All of the other apps are under U.S. government control and have engaged in severe censorship on certain topics such as the Israel-Gaza conflict. Even the politicians who voted for the bill have openly admitted that making Israel looking bad is the reason they are banning TikTok. This ban effort regained momentum after October 7th, 2023: http…

You believe the famously pro-Israel 4chan /pol/ is under US Government control?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by xanderlewis »

t0bia_s wrote: post #416
tester756 wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by epolanski »

tomthe wrote: post #412
epolanski wrote: post #345

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I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true. We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms. HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth: https://youtu.be/5CZNlaeZAtw?si=-4f7Pyww-nazCrSM

I think there are pretty strong traces of pro-china manipulation on Tiktok. See https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/briefing/tiktok-ban-bill-... Content about something like Hong-Kong protests or the Tiananmen square are suppressed.

There isn't even a clear methodology explained (where/when/how where the accounts created, etc) on that NCRI "study".

Even the data is often self contradicting.

All we see is that there's much less political discourse on TikTok than ig.

If there's manipulation, the only thing that this study shows is that the manipulation goes towards avoiding politics in general.

Not only that, but the study itself may show the reverse to be true: that IG pushes some narratives more than others.

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Post by newsclues »

gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

Isn't fair trade the key?

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Post by xanderlewis »

richrichardsson wrote: post #417
solaris152000 wrote: post #402

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It's name in English is the Communist Part of China, CPC not CCP.

This shit winds me up no end. It feels almost like propaganda in itself, to evoke CCCP connotations. It would be like if I just decided to start unilaterally referring to a "Language to Markup Hyper-Text" (LMHT) instead of its correct name. tbf though, even the BBC can't get it right : https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg68vyz9lgo

Exactly. I've never heard someone use 'CPC' before. It's quite obvious why the alternative isn't liked.
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