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1 in 4 homes [EDIT: mortgages] are underwater.[1] If the goal by which we make neighborhood/city wide planning decisions is the ability to "look after" one's property, I propose homeowners are clearly more socially derelict and likely to ignore the community. [only partially sarcastic] 1. http://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news30381/nearly-24-...

1 in 4 mortgages, which is less than 1 in 4 homes.

Corrected.

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#152
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a 100% chance that I won't. Strangers, even unvetted ones, almost never pose a danger to children. The vast majority of harm done to children is done by friends and family. Having more strangers around makes your kids safer, if anything.

So if you were looking for a babysitter, would you prefer someone randomly selected on airbnb by your downstairs neighbor to someone you've vetted yourself?

The real key here is to look at who does the selecting.

The danger comes from the self selected, if you have a crowd of random people and you choose one at random, then the chances that they have malicious intent are related to the incidence of that in the population; OTOH if you ask for volunteers, or worse, if someone spontaneously volunteers then the chance is way higher...

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#153
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

I'm female; I rent out my guest room on Airbnb. I have no idea what this has to do with gender. (NB: I own my house, do not live in an area with a HOA, and do not live in a city with an ordinance against short-term rentals.) I've also frequently stayed at other Airbnb properties and always had a pleasant experience. Here's the real issue: So many people say this industry needs regulation. I don't necessarily agree; I…

> I lean Libertarian and tend to think the market will take care of itself.

What AirBnB does is profit from an externality. When a company can profit by shifting risk to other parties who are not in contractual privity (and thus cannot bargain for consideration in return for assuming that risk), it's a classic case of where government regulation is required. AirBnB is a textbook example of this little bit of Econ 101. They shift the inherent risk of running a hotel business onto not just the hosts, but to the neighbors of the hosts, who are not parties to the rental contract.

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#154
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

What does gender have to do with opinions about whether someone should be able to rent out a room in a building they own? Renters don't tend to look after properties. No, that's why it's called rent and they have property managers or landlords who have that responsibility. That said, I've been in my rented place for 12yrs and take good care of it, as do other tenants in our building. Myth busted. How would I feel if…

The AirBnB brothel sounds like an intriguing idea.

I wonder if it exists? The room with a higher than expected rate and veiled hints of extra "amenities"...

Re: DIY B&B

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post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

I'd like to focus solely on the issue of "your neighbours didn't sign up for you opening a hotel". Of course my neighbors have a right to not be unreasonably disturbed by my own existence. Most communities have noise violation laws and other citations for creating an undesirable atmosphere. The folks offering short-term rents are not excused from such laws. Why do we need new laws? If your neighbor's short-term tenna…

It's like saying: there is no need for zoning, if industrial activity creates noises/hazards, just sue!

There is a place for piecemeal litigation of individual disputes. There is also a place for regulation and zoning to maintain order, especially in a large, tightly-packed city.

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post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

I tend to disagree about short-term renters not looking after the place. As an Airbnb host I find that most of my guests leave the place cleaner than when I left it. I imagine this is because a) they are cognizant that it is the property of another person b) there is a reputation attached with their stay. I also have peace of mind that if the place gets trashed it will be covered by the million dollar guarantee.

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#157
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

I'd like to focus solely on the issue of "your neighbours didn't sign up for you opening a hotel". Of course my neighbors have a right to not be unreasonably disturbed by my own existence. Most communities have noise violation laws and other citations for creating an undesirable atmosphere. The folks offering short-term rents are not excused from such laws. Why do we need new laws? If your neighbor's short-term tenna…

Noise issues are secondary to security and common area maintenance issues.

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#158

I've been a host since I joined Airbnb as an engineer two years ago. During my interview I had an "AHA!" moment when I saw a letter pinned on the wall. It was from someone affected by the financial crisis who had been able to avoid foreclosure by renting their place on Airbnb. The letter expressed unending gratitude for how Airbnb had helped her through the most difficult time of her life. It completely changed how I…

Well, here's a counterpoint. A bunch of people in my building use AirBnB to rent out units. These transient tenants are often noisy, dirty, and in one recent case, outright frightening, threatening long-term tenants (security had to kick him out of the building). Hotels are zoned differently than residential units for good reasons, it's not just big business squeezing out the small fries.

That's not to say I don't have full respect for you as a company. Just want you to be aware there is a counterpoint, and that people using your service should be following local regulations and leases. When they don't, it creates headaches for neighbors and resentment towards your company.

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#159
Here we go again... Who changed the post title? Two hours into the discussion.

pg, please do something about this. It is getting absolutely out of hand.

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#160

Despite the touching stories about financial ruin, the government has a legitimate interest in making sure B&B's are minimally safe and operate without disturbing neighbors. All of these "It's my property!" arguments are supremely disingenuous.

and in any case you are not even legally a owner you are a TENANT. before downvoting me, go and look at your deed. find the term "owner" anywhere on it. yes folks, the county has permitted you to enter into an agreement to make improvements on the land and resell that right to others. the county "owns" the land. most first-time home buyers are surprised to find out that they actually are only considered tenants

"before downvoting me, go and look at your deed. find the term "owner" anywhere on it."

Ok, I happen to have a deed right in front of me for a property having forgotten to put it in the safe deposit box.

On the first page appears the following:

"1. Transfer of ownership. The grantor grants and conveys (transfers ownership of) the property (called the "Property") described below to the Grantee. This transfer is made for the sum of..."

"3. Property. The property consists of the land and all the buildings and structures on the in land in the city of ..."

Seems pretty clear to me that this contradicts what you are saying. I am located in a state on the east coast USA.

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