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I had to take my couch offline because my HOA threatened to fine me. No more visitors, no more foreign friends. :( It seems the first wave of enforcement has come from HOAs, I've heard of various people having to remove their listing for that reason. [1] Now it appears, according to the article above, municipal authorities are pushing back. Could this be a result of lobbying from hotels? Vacation rentals is not a new…
HOAs make me want to puke. Why did you agree to join anyway?
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#22Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…
In 1890 it was not uncommon to rent a room in one's house to a stranger either.
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#23This is a classic example of anti-competitive market fixing, masquerading as a "regulation to protect consumers" or somesuch. There is no legitimate justification to infringe on a contract between a willing buyer and a willing seller, but to actually fight these crackdowns you have to spend lots of $$$ on local political campaigns in every municipality. Easier said than done. Unless that massive lobbying investment (…
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#24Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…
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#26What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you.
In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occupiers vs renters. Generally the more owner-occupiers, the better the building.
Renters don't tend to look after properties, tend to be less mindful of behaviour that impacts the neighbours (parties, etc), etc.
This goes even moreso for really short-term tenants. There have been examples of this already (like the woman who had her house trashed in SF after renting it out on AirBnB). Such extreme examples aside, you are raising the risk of damage or theft to the property of others by bringing a stream of strangers into your home.
Yes most of the time it works out just fine but sometimes it doesn't and your neighbours didn't sign up for you opening a hotel.
Would people feel the same way if someone was operating a brothel in their house or apartment? After all, it's their property and they can do with it as they please right? What about operating a bar or a club?
This is not as one-sided as some suggest.
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#27This is really troubling and sickening. It's your property and you should be able to do as you please with it. What is the value of ownership if what you own is under government and HOA control? Disgusting. The fact that we allow government to get involved in our personal lives at this level should scare everyone. They are telling some of these people that they can't earn money to make-up for the fact that they fell…
What if you decide to start charging strangers to eat dinner at your house. Does the government have a right to start inspecting your kitchen? What if you take children in during the day. Should the givernment have any say in your qualifications as a day care operator or the conditions of your property?
Corruption is a problem that should be solved. Regulation of business to enforce standards of health and safety is exactly what the government is supposed to be doing.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had to take my couch offline because my HOA threatened to fine me. No more visitors, no more foreign friends. :( It seems the first wave of enforcement has come from HOAs, I've heard of various people having to remove their listing for that reason. [1] Now it appears, according to the article above, municipal authorities are pushing back. Could this be a result of lobbying from hotels? Vacation rentals is not a new…
... telling me who I can or can not have over to stay. They aren't telling you who you can or can not have over, they are prohibiting you from having temporary guests that pay. Why? Well, an establishment that houses temporary guests traditionally has to answer to health & safety codes and regulations. Under-the-radar AirBnB rentals circumvent that system. You'd probably get similar kickback if you tried running an i…
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#29Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…
Morally true, perhaps, but not legally the case.
It's another example of how laws are extremely difficult to enforce if they go against the public morality; an extreme example was how difficult it was to outlaw dueling until the fashion finally turned against the practice.
A more modern example is how most people really want laws against plagiarism instead of the copyright laws we actually have in most of the world: People get up in arms if someone plagiarizes someone else's work, but will gladly support copyright violators who are scrupulous about proper attribution.
A large number of people seem to think that's actually how the law works. This doesn't stop any prosecutions, but it makes the prosecutions no more effective than trying to bail out the Titanic with a colander.
So shall it be with this law, I predict.
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#30Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…
It's not about consumer protection. That's just a smoke screen. It's entirely about government revenue. Municipal taxes, sales taxes and government fees. Hotels and taxis and the like have to pay them and AirBnB and private rental models typically don't. By disrupting these models, these new services cut off revenues to cities and make it harder to justify the high taxes they milk the traditional businesses and touri…
1) Most people live in apartments, therefore a person who is an approved tenant is now inviting an un-approved tenant to take there place, giving them access to the building and common areas.
2) More importantly most NYC apartment buildings are co-ops and not condos. They are usually selective about owners and have appropriate sublet policy. Most Air BnB type sites would violate the sublet agreements in co-ops.
There need to be some protection for those that live in apartment buildings and don't share the same feelings about short-term sublets.