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Re: DIY B&B

#71
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This is a classic example of anti-competitive market fixing, masquerading as a "regulation to protect consumers" or somesuch. There is no legitimate justification to infringe on a contract between a willing buyer and a willing seller, but to actually fight these crackdowns you have to spend lots of $$$ on local political campaigns in every municipality. Easier said than done. Unless that massive lobbying investment (…

yeah if they only cared about protecting consumers, instead of fines, they'd let you pay a few bucks to get your house inspected.

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#72
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HOAs make me want to puke. Why did you agree to join anyway?

The HOA for a condo generally covers building maintenance, insurance, and other necessary costs that are shared by all of the units in the complex. Thus, if you buy a condo, you do not have a choice about joining the HOA unless you buy the entire complex (meaning the building and all the units*).

Great explanation. Thank you.

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#73
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

All true, but the power of persistent online reputations can mitigate these negatives better than inflexible 20th-century-style regulations.

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#74

Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…

> people own their stuff and they're damn well liable to do what they want to with it.

You own your car. You are not allowed to set up as a cab service without some kind of insurance and registration.

You own your home; you own the kitchen. You could not set up as a restaurant without a bunch of paperwork.

> Laws which were used to increase the quality of hotel stays back in 1890 have extremely little applicability today.

I want there to be an effective fire escape in case the building burns down. Is that law irrelevant?

I want the hotel to have a clean kitchen. Is that law irrelevant?

I would agree that perhaps there's too much paperwork for businesses.

(http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/02/confiscating-your-ice-cream-...)

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#75

Despite the touching stories about financial ruin, the government has a legitimate interest in making sure B&B's are minimally safe and operate without disturbing neighbors. All of these "It's my property!" arguments are supremely disingenuous.

and in any case you are not even legally a owner

you are a TENANT.

before downvoting me, go and look at your deed. find the term "owner" anywhere on it.

yes folks, the county has permitted you to enter into an agreement to make improvements on the land and resell that right to others. the county "owns" the land. most first-time home buyers are surprised to find out that they actually are only considered tenants

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#76
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

What you say is true and there are competing interests to be balanced. Still, it seems the pressure to disallow short term renting is coming from business interests rather than neighbor complaints.

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#77
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

You're forgetting that this problem is already solved by contract law. Tenants sign agreements not to rent out their units all the time. Home owner's associations often have rules against short-term rentals as well. If you don't like the idea of short-term rentals in your neighborhood or building, choose one protected by one of these types of contracts. In fact, they're so common, you probably already have such prote…

If you own a single-family detached home, this is not likely to be the case (if there is no HOA).

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#78
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

I'd like to focus solely on the issue of "your neighbours didn't sign up for you opening a hotel". Of course my neighbors have a right to not be unreasonably disturbed by my own existence. Most communities have noise violation laws and other citations for creating an undesirable atmosphere.

The folks offering short-term rents are not excused from such laws. Why do we need new laws? If your neighbor's short-term tennats are loud assholes, make a noise complaint.

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#79
post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

What does gender have to do with opinions about whether someone should be able to rent out a room in a building they own? Renters don't tend to look after properties. No, that's why it's called rent and they have property managers or landlords who have that responsibility. That said, I've been in my rented place for 12yrs and take good care of it, as do other tenants in our building. Myth busted. How would I feel if…

they don't "own" the property and the word "owner" does not appear on anyone's deed (don't believe me? go read your own)

you are a tenant on the land, and your deed says this. the county is the owner.

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#80
post #44

In some vacation places, such as Monterey, it's illegal to rent a house/apartment for less than a month without a hotel license. These laws predate AirBnB by decades.

In some vacation spots the law is even tougher. Long Beach, NY is worried about people renting a house and having all their friends stay:

Not more than two (2) persons not related to each other by blood, adoption or marriage, living and cooking together in a single dwelling unit.

A lot of towns also expect you to get a rental permit too.

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