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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by Tenoke »

wffurr wrote: post #355
Tenoke wrote: post #351

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>If you always have 3% more working memory you might accumulate more knowledge after a while. Or you might accumulate way less knowledge because you don't have a phone to get information from and are getting say 300% less information overall despite retaining 3% more of what you get.

Yeah kids are not generally using their phones during or between classes to take in even more knowledge on their class subjects…

Maybe not on or only on their class subjects, but kids also read random things including Wikipedia articles on topics they get curious about.

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Post by k8sToGo »

supersrdjan wrote: post #364

Do you ever get periods of time where you're just not interested in your phone? Periods of time when you don't even feel the compulsion to unlock your phone and scroll, so there's no real willpower required to abstain from it? That's the state of mind I want to be at. I don't want to have to lock away the phone from myself or unplug my router. I do get those streaks of no doom scrolling from time to time, perhaps for…

I have those periods when I'm busy with other things. If not busy, then the phone is a way to stay busy.

Don't think we can truly idle and sit there and do nothing.

If you do not want to unlock and scroll, find something that keeps you busy and is more entertaining than whatever you have on the phone.

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Post by throwaway6734 »

supersrdjan wrote: post #364

Do you ever get periods of time where you're just not interested in your phone? Periods of time when you don't even feel the compulsion to unlock your phone and scroll, so there's no real willpower required to abstain from it? That's the state of mind I want to be at. I don't want to have to lock away the phone from myself or unplug my router. I do get those streaks of no doom scrolling from time to time, perhaps for…

try out a cat s22

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

bilbo0s wrote: post #369
lugu wrote: post #347

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What is wrong with that? Isn't it how science works: you make an hypothesis and test it.

I think so many people, even most here on HN, have forgotten how the scientific method works.

Agree. I propose hypothesis here all the time and people will say "Show me the study that proves what you are saying!".

For instance. It maybe that the distracting quality of the phone is not the only thing providing better sleep and mood, but maybe it is the collective power of the EMF radiation that is disturbing the children's catecholamines.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13826...

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Post by Tade0 »

k8sToGo wrote: post #372
supersrdjan wrote: post #364

Do you ever get periods of time where you're just not interested in your phone? Periods of time when you don't even feel the compulsion to unlock your phone and scroll, so there's no real willpower required to abstain from it? That's the state of mind I want to be at. I don't want to have to lock away the phone from myself or unplug my router. I do get those streaks of no doom scrolling from time to time, perhaps for…

I have those periods when I'm busy with other things. If not busy, then the phone is a way to stay busy. Don't think we can truly idle and sit there and do nothing. If you do not want to unlock and scroll, find something that keeps you busy and is more entertaining than whatever you have on the phone.

> Don't think we can truly idle and sit there and do nothing.

Of course we can. It's quite enjoyable in the right circumstances.

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Post by eastbound »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #311
eastbound wrote: post #230

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By do you ruminate negative thoughts? That’s my excuse for keeping my phone playing at night: I’m single, and despite being a successful professional and trying hard at dating when I was younger, my private life is full of bad experiences. I think about it and get angry. Youtube masks it. Yes I’ve seen psychologists but no, really, they try to où the blame on me but every time it’s the others who bullied me. Anyway —…

I’m sorry to hear that your past life experiences haunt you, but I’m also glad to hear that you’ve done well professionally for yourself despite that. I can’t pretend to truly know your situation and realize you may have received similar advice already, but in case you haven’t or someone else reads this who feels similarly, here is some anyway. Firstly, keep in mind this advice also applies inside the work place, for…

I have correct answers to all of your questions. How do I know they are correct? Well first of all science: They’re repeatable and produce reliably the same result. Second: Attitude: People go all ways when I spell them out, deny them, be bad-faithed, attack me, or nag me on superficial properties; but one thing they don’t do is provide an argument against it.

It’s maybe usual to see people victimizing themselves in that society and that they’re so systematically wrong that “Take responsibility” is good advice.

However, I’m a white male who dwelled into work and got good results, and literal hate does exist against me.

Of course, some people who were talented early enough did succeed to build a balanced life. I didn’t learned to date early enough, and when 25 years old came, girls went systematically batshit crazy when they saw that I didn’t know how to handle sex, so that I reached 40 without a single positive experience.

It’s possible to recover with women when you get accepted in groups, but I’m a white male and I refuse to apologize for being white, because it’s been harassment all my life, and yes people are cunts, so no I won’t recover.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

Liquix wrote: post #210
jader201 wrote: post #192

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I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

> left with the unfortunate decision between phone addition, and social ostracism. This line of thinking perpetuates the problem. More people getting addicted does not mean addiction is a prerequisite to live a full life. It's never been more important to aggressively curtail phone use – and make unpopular decisions that your kids will thank you for later – than it is now.

Knowing a few alcoholics this is part of the problem with addiction. You make friends with other addicts, and those bonds are broken when you have to quit.

The social aspect has to be addressed or the addiction is harder to quit.

So I agree with you, but the social isolation is an important factor in keeping people off the phone. Also, I am finding that younger folk do not know how to interact with people IRL. I am faced with fear, uncertainty, shyness, anxiety...and all of these issues were created by the phone use as well.

It is a very complex issue to solve.

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Post by ANewFormation »

Tade0 wrote: post #375
k8sToGo wrote: post #372

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I have those periods when I'm busy with other things. If not busy, then the phone is a way to stay busy. Don't think we can truly idle and sit there and do nothing. If you do not want to unlock and scroll, find something that keeps you busy and is more entertaining than whatever you have on the phone.

> Don't think we can truly idle and sit there and do nothing. Of course we can. It's quite enjoyable in the right circumstances.

It's also the mother of creativity. Endless relatively high quality entertainment is one of those things that sounds amazing at a distance but has probably just been an overall significant negative on society.

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Post by arrowsmith »

graemep wrote: post #332
arrowsmith wrote: post #282

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This was the policy at my school ~20 years ago. “Smartphones” didn’t exist, but mobile phones were ubiquitous and every kid owned one. But they weren’t allowed in the classroom, and if you were found to have one in the classroom (even if it was switched off in your pocket), it would immediately be confiscated and you wouldn’t get it back until at least the next day. Why would any school not have this policy? What pos…

Confiscation until the next day could cause all sorts of problems. For example my daughter needs a smartphone app for bus tickets. It would be a lot more expensive to buy a single ticket to get home and I suppose (especially with younger kids) its going to be difficult to ensure they have the money to get home - or the phone might be their main means of payment. People are dependent on smartphones to live day to day,…

There’s an easy solution to this problem: don’t get your phone confiscated.

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Post by bilbo0s »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #374
bilbo0s wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think so many people, even most here on HN, have forgotten how the scientific method works.

Agree. I propose hypothesis here all the time and people will say "Show me the study that proves what you are saying!". For instance. It maybe that the distracting quality of the phone is not the only thing providing better sleep and mood, but maybe it is the collective power of the EMF radiation that is disturbing the children's catecholamines. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13826...

Ok. Design the experiment to test your hypothesis, and then present its results. The truth of it will be in the data.

There is likely a way to test this hypothesis on human children in an ethical fashion.

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