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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by Tenoke »

carlmr wrote: post #245
card_zero wrote: post #177

> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise. Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going t…

Apart from whether the days are enough or not to wean off a long-standing addiction. Maybe a 3% boost in working memory has compounding effects over time as well. You can't commit to long term memory what you can't keep in working memory long enough. You can't think about complex things if you don't have the working memory capacity. If you always have 3% more working memory you might accumulate more knowledge after a…

>If you always have 3% more working memory you might accumulate more knowledge after a while.

Or you might accumulate way less knowledge because you don't have a phone to get information from and are getting say 300% less information overall despite retaining 3% more of what you get.

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Post by basisword »

quantumfissure wrote: post #92
bdangubic wrote: post #70

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rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater. Some examples that have been on these lists in the past: - A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way…

>> Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings"

While I get your point, I think when you have to be concerned about how 'school shooting' is defined your country has a big problem.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Aeolun wrote: post #322
LoganDark wrote: post #153

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> I'm curious to know what you accomplished for several hours without network connectivity in general. Making your bed, organizing your room, taking a shower / getting a haircut, doing laundry, whatever. You know, the stuff people tend to get behind on.

People get behind on taking a shower? Amongst that list it seems the only one you can’t skip out on. Unless you start putting on dirty laundry. That’s probably worse.

It kinda blows my mind if not only have you never missed taking a shower but you can't even imagine a situation in which that mighty happen.

That aside, people have depression, or no access to a shower, and so miss showering for weeks even. Amongst other reasons.

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Post by Jakob »

llm_trw wrote: post #228
jader201 wrote: post #192

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I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

You should read what Socrates has to say about book addicts. We need to burn more of them to raise awareness of just how pernicious the written word is.

Socrates says that profound knowledge is gained through interaction. He compares the written word to a painting, meaning it can be analysed but it doesn’t respond to questions and is therefore not a substitute for dialog.

This mirrors the critique to phones: used primarily to passively watch “paintings” instead of interacting. The viewer’s knowledge and critical thinking is improving only seemingly at best.

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Post by wffurr »

Tenoke wrote: post #351
carlmr wrote: post #245

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Apart from whether the days are enough or not to wean off a long-standing addiction. Maybe a 3% boost in working memory has compounding effects over time as well. You can't commit to long term memory what you can't keep in working memory long enough. You can't think about complex things if you don't have the working memory capacity. If you always have 3% more working memory you might accumulate more knowledge after a…

>If you always have 3% more working memory you might accumulate more knowledge after a while. Or you might accumulate way less knowledge because you don't have a phone to get information from and are getting say 300% less information overall despite retaining 3% more of what you get.

Yeah kids are not generally using their phones during or between classes to take in even more knowledge on their class subjects…

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Post by rob_c »

We did _not_ need a study on this.

Schools used to ban mobile devices at the door and at some point gave up, like everything, someone gave up.

Private schools in the UK still have this policy and are still churning out better grades and students regardless of whether they charge admission or not. Public ones have turned into a nursery ruled by the kids from that X generation of handouts.

Just go back to giving a dam and it will fix at least this thing. But I'll get stick and b$ for students being social online these days now I bet...

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Post by h4ch1 »

eptcyka wrote: post #323
h4ch1 wrote: post #297

Seeing almost feral iPad kids has put me off giving my children a portable screen, especially one with unrestricted access to the internet. The surprising part is I grew up around computers and the internet (got my first email when i was 4) and have always had a desktop PC around, but somehow gravitated towards building websites, small C games, and even though YouTube, Metacafe, Facebook, Miniclip were easily accessi…

I tried writing C games when I was 12 and never got anywhere. I personally feel like I've cultivated quite the overgrowth of dopamine receptors now due to the access of the internet I had as a kid. Curiously, my parents tried to limit access for a long while, and for a long while, the desktop PC only had games and no internet. I do not think giving my child free access to the internet via a desktop would have a simil…

Yeah, raising children in a world such as ours doesn't seem bereft of a number of variables that can skew the results of their upbringing.

Sometimes I wish there was a standardised framework for raising children but they're too unique and individual for something like that to work.

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Post by rob_c »

dylan604 wrote: post #129
jonhohle wrote: post #122

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Our school has similar restriction, but then shoved Chromebooks in front of every kid and they use chat instead of text, watch videos, and play games all through class instead. When I’ve tried to find alternatives for my more distractible kids, the school acts like we’re putting them out. What is the point of a cell phone ban when it’s just replaced with a more capable device?

If a school doesn’t have an IT policy of blocking YouTube and socials, then they are just inept. If the school is buying instructional material that requires that, then they are inept. If an instructional company is making anything requiring any of that, they are inept.

Yeah but most IT graduates working in a UK school on that salary are beyond inept in all honesty which is why do y many kids are able to find ways around the tills they use...

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Post by rob_c »

arrowsmith wrote: post #280
jonhohle wrote: post #122

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Our school has similar restriction, but then shoved Chromebooks in front of every kid and they use chat instead of text, watch videos, and play games all through class instead. When I’ve tried to find alternatives for my more distractible kids, the school acts like we’re putting them out. What is the point of a cell phone ban when it’s just replaced with a more capable device?

If my child’s school had them playing games on Chromebooks all class, I would move them to a different school.

In Scotland it's iPads paid for by London so move them there at least :p

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Post by bearjaws »

sebmellen wrote: post #313
rmbyrro wrote: post #308

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losing 2fa gives me anxiety. google auth is sync'ing now. it's a terrible idea from a security standpoint, though, which gives me even more anxiety... i guess i can't avoid security-related anxieties

Use an open source TOTP manager and sync your codes using something like Standard Notes, not your regular password manager. This gives nice redundancy and two layers of security while staying synced.

Ente Auth + $100 old android phone for backing up to.

Old phone stays in a safe, and only pull it out to add new TOTP codes.

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