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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#51
> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days.

It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private school cohort is a minority, and those kids in the aggregate will do well because of their parents’ wealth, income, and time available. Private school teachers typically are compensated appropriately and empowered as well (as opposed to public teachers who are not). Managing expectations, but also realistic expectations. (home/virtual school two kids under 10 in our family, my observations and perspective fro…

The student-to-teacher ratio there is also wildly different. For example, it's 4:1 at one school in New York[1] vs. the 15:1 national average (it's 12:1 in New York) [1]: https://www.stbernards.org/about-us/faculty--staff [2]: https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/education/k-...

I strongly agree that ratios are a component in student success. Regardless, if parents are not meeting their burden as stakeholders, student success is incredibly challenging. This applies across income strata.

TLDR “Do you value education and model that for your children?” (broadly speaking)

My apologies this was a long journey to the thesis.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2973328/

https://touroscholar.touro.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... (page 6)

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#53
post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

Deliberately introducing it as a cultural change would probably significantly increase life satisfaction (through prolonging healthspan and lifespan both) and have positive effects on the economy. Cultures that value exercise (mainly Asian examples come to mind) benefit from all these things.

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post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

This is a false equivalency. We already take away many things from adults.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Do people really think this way? In good faith? They have such a high sense of risk from school shootings that they have to organize their daily activities around that possibility, regardless of whether it may be ruining the learning environment, the entire nominal purpose of school?

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#57
I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague.

It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects are not subtle at all. They are very significant.

I am impressed we let a few companies commodify and commercialize human attention and human connection to this degree. Humanity has been done a great disservice in both areas by them. One day, this period of mass harm will be a chapter in history books, I am now convinced.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#58

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Replace shooting with fire, flood, earthquake, tornado, etc

IMO the objection is dumb regardless, but maybe that will help translate.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#59

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school.

Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones.

Edit: and no, school shootings had nothing to do with the change. We'd gone through Columbine not long before, and despite the media spamming everyone they're very rare even today.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#60

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.
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