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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by tim333 »

parineum wrote: post #482
tim333 wrote: post #285

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>people will move on to the next fad AI isn't really a fad. It's going to something more like electricity, say.

People have been saying that for a few years now. I've been using it as a very advanced autocomplete while coding for that time and not much else.

Electricity probably had niche uses for the first few years but as electrical stuff got better it got used in all sorts of things. I imagine AI will go a bit like that if quicker.

Looking back at the history of electricity, there is early stuff from the Greeks and then:

Faraday's homopolar disc generator 1831

Light bulb 1870

Transistor 1947

etc. So quite leisurely.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by vasco »

lupire wrote: post #458
AlanYx wrote: post #34

Ignoring all the drama, this part is interesting: "On one call, Elon told us he didn’t care about equity personally but just needed to accumulate $80B for a city on Mars."

Elon Musk is nothing if not famous for astronomically over-promising and under-delivering.

You can see from the emails he outright does it just to "create a sense of urgency" and wants others to do the same. It does have its results but it churns through employees a lot as well. It's a good recipe to achieve great things but the problem is random middle managers of random SaaS b2b products thinking they need to do the same.

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Post by ethbr1 »

antihipocrat wrote: post #447
ethbr1 wrote: post #424

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Excel, the only IDE universally allowed on corporate devices

I'd argue the web browser falls into that category as well.

In more modern times, although I'd say the barrier of entry is higher there.

Plus most analogs would require additional procurement, to which the response for most business users would be "No, you're not a developer."

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Post by im3w1l »

ascorbic wrote: post #510
im3w1l wrote: post #472

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Solar powered non-urgent batch compute. Mars has a shitton of land to build on and no people whining about you cutting down some rainforest or something to make room for your projects.

Space is a lot bigger and a lot nearer

Lifting materials into space is very expensive. If you build on a planet (or a moon) then you can mine it for materials reducing the expense.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

numpad0 wrote: post #512
sebzim4500 wrote: post #289

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>and no obvious large-scale product-market fit I'm afraid you are in as much an echo chamber as anyone. 200 million+ weekly active users is large scale pmf

but they're not making money and there are plenty substitutes. I bet they have practically zero paid customer retention rate. People say they love it, so what.

>I bet they have practically zero paid customer retention rate

Why do you think that?

I know a few people with a subscription but I don't think I know anyone who has cancelled. Even people who have mainly moved to Claude kept the plus subscription because it's so cheap and o1 is sometimes useful for stuff Claude can't do.

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Post by ickelbawd »

ben_w wrote: post #590
cinntaile wrote: post #583

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> Lower prices don't make things more convenient or fast. You are replying to a straw man, I never said anything like that. It makes for dull discussions. > Even in my current place, still in Berlin but close to the outskirts without the advantages of density, a mere four grocery bags is easier to get through public transport than it is from one end of an American car park to the other. It's unclear to me why you com…

>> Lower prices don't make things more convenient or fast. > You are replying to a straw man, I never said anything like that. It makes for dull discussions. If you didn't mean that, why did you say "When price goes down, robotaxis become a more viable option due to convenience and speed"? > You should compare the public transport with a robotaxi alternative. The alternative being "do I put these four bags in a trunk…

Not the op. If you reread what he wrote I think he’s trying to say the price going down changes the viability of the option—not the convenience and speed which he treats as inherent to the car.

Said another way: When price goes down, robotaxis (which are convenient and speedy) become a more viable option.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by fsmv »

Mistletoe wrote: post #471
roca wrote: post #453

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"we have reason to believe AGI can ultimately be built with less than $10B in hardware" "Within the next three years, robotics should be completely solved, AI should solve a long-standing unproven theorem, programming competitions should be won consistently by AIs, and there should be convincing chatbots" (2017) "We will completely solve the problem of adversarial examples by the end of August"

What would robotics completely solved even mean?

Humanoid robots operating in the world built for humans performing useful tasks

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Post by jobigoud »

linotype wrote: post #215
kulahan wrote: post #199

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I imagine that's what he's doing. He's willing to put a lot of company money into getting the city on Mars started, because if he's first there, he's gonna set himself (or his dynasty?) up to make hundreds of billions of dollars. Being effectively in control of your own planet? Neat. Scary too.

Doing what exactly? What industry could Mars possibly support profitably?

Tourism?

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Post by kandesbunzler »

exprofmaddy wrote: post #176

It seems the humans pursuing AGI lack sufficient natural intelligence. I'm sad that humans with such narrow and misguided perspectives have so much power, money, and influence. I worry this won't end well.

then surely you can create your own company and do it much better than them
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