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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by klik99 »

pinewurst wrote: post #91
lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

Nobody seems to remember how the Segway was going to change our world, backed by many of the VC power figures at the time + Steve Jobs.

In Segways defense that self balancing tech has made and will continue to make an impact, just not world changing amount (at least not yet) and not their particular company but the companies they influenced - the same may end up true about openai

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by catigula »

computerex wrote: post #100
catigula wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That same space company said that they'd do point to point commercial travel using rockets. As for significantly outperforming: Ask NASA, price per launch has gone UP not DOWN. What's the point of reusability if it doesn't affect the bottom line in a positive way?

NASA contracted two companies to perform space launches, Boeing and SpaceX.

Due to massively inflating costs and a recent catastrophic failure, Boeing has a very uncertain future in the program.

I hope this helps!

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by llm_nerd »

freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

>Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that?

They aren't saying he isn't. But he is trying to handicap OpenAI, while his own offering at this point is farcical.

>It will be interesting to see how this blog post ages.

Whether Elon's "dump billions to try to get attention for The Latest Thing" attempt succeeds or not -- the guy has an outrageous appetite to be the center of attention, and sadly people play along -- has zero bearing on the aging of this blog post. Elon could simply be fighting them in the marketplace, instead he's waging a public and legal campaign that honestly makes him look like a pathetic bitch. And that's regardless of my negative feelings regarding OpenAI's bait and switch.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by lesuorac »

factorialboy wrote: post #25

For-profit isn't the problem. Lying about being non-profit to raise funds, and _then_ become for-profit, that's the underlying concern.

Too bad not disclosing that you always intended to convert the non-profit into a for-profit during your testimony while numerous senators congratulate you about your non-profit values isn't problematic.

https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-senate-judiciary-sub...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by roughly »

lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

Regarding the Silicon Valley Mindset, Douglass Rushkoff wrote a quite good book on the topic: https://bookshop.org/p/books/survival-of-the-richest-escape-...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by aipatselarom »

topspin wrote: post #83
moralestapia wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Could still be) illegal. Private inurement is a thing. There are laws written explicitly to prevent this.

> Wrong ? OpenAI's non-profit+for-profit structure is detailed at their own site: https://openai.com/our-structure/ It's a non-profit with a for-profit subsidiary. Please elaborate on "wrong."

(I'm @moralestapia, but on my phone)

Non-profits have a mission that has to be aligned with a public/social benefit.

No amount of structuring would help you if it turns out that your activities benefit a private individual/organization instead of whatever public benefit you wrote when setting up the non-profit.

All it takes if a judge ruling that [1] is happening, and then it's over for you and all your derived entities, subsidiaries, whatever-you-set-up-thinking-you-would-outsmart-the-irs. Judges can see through your bullshit, they do this 100s of times, year after year.

And also, "oh, but we wanted to do this since the beginning" only digs you a deeper hole, lmao. Do they not have common sense?

I'm surprised that @sama, whose major talent is manipulat... sorry "social engineering", greenlit this approach.

1. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by lesuorac »

catigula wrote: post #102
computerex wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That same space company said that they'd do point to point commercial travel using rockets. As for significantly outperforming: Ask NASA, price per launch has gone UP not DOWN. What's the point of reusability if it doesn't affect the bottom line in a positive way?

NASA contracted two companies to perform space launches, Boeing and SpaceX. Due to massively inflating costs and a recent catastrophic failure, Boeing has a very uncertain future in the program. I hope this helps!

I mean once Boeing is out of the picture SpaceX is just going to raise its rates.

Tesla sells EVs much cheaper in China than the US due to actual competition.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by vwkd »

Sounds like Elon's "fourth attempt [..] to reframe his claims" might actually be close to the target.

Otherwise, why would they engage in a publicity battle to sway public sentiment precisely now, if their legal case wasn't weak?

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