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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by pinewurst »

lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

Nobody seems to remember how the Segway was going to change our world, backed by many of the VC power figures at the time + Steve Jobs.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Flomolok »

lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

I tried Claude.

If hardware continues it's evolution of speed in the next 10 years I can have Claude but local + running constantly and yeah that would change certain things fundamentaly

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by dang »

akira2501 wrote: post #10

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Ok, but please don't fulminate on HN*. Comments like this degrade the community for everyone.

You may not owe people who you feel are spoiled rich kids better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

* this is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by colechristensen »

talldayo wrote: post #77
bobthebuilders wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules of traditional warfare will still exist, they will just be fought by advanced hyper intelligent AIs instead of humans. Hunter Miller humanoids like Optimus and drones like Anduril will replace humans in war. War will be the same, but the rich are preparing to unleash a "new arsenal of democracy" against us in an AI takeover. We must be prepared.

> Hunter Miller humanoids like Optimus and drones like Anduril will replace humans in war. You do not understand how war is fought if you sincerely believe this. Battles aren't won with price tags and marketing videos, they're won with strategic planning and tactical effect. The reason why the US is such a powerful military is not because we field so much materiel, but because each materiel is so effective. Many stan…

>These are weapons that won't get replaced by drones

Those weapons are drones. They're just rockets instead of quadcopters. They're also several orders of magnitude more expensive, but they really could get driven by the same off-the-shelf kind of technology if someone bothered to make it.

And they will get replaced. Location based targeting is in many cases less interesting than targeting something which can move and could be recognized by the weapon in flight. Load up a profile of a tank, a license place, images of a person, etc. to be recognized and targeted independently in flight.

>Battles aren't won with price tags and marketing videos, they're won with strategic planning and tactical effect.

Big wars tend to get won by resources more than tactics. Japan and Germany couldn't keep up with US industrial output. Germany couldn't keep up with USSR manpower.

Replacing soldiers with drones means it's more of a contest of output than strategy.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by kingofheroes »

adabyron wrote: post #85
talldayo wrote: post #62

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The fact that owning Twitter was worth half a Mars colony to him should give you an idea of how seriously he's taking this whole thing. It's up there next to "Full Self Driving" and "$25,000 EV" in the Big Jar of Promises Used To Raise Capital and Nothing Else.

He bought Twitter for $40B. His Tesla stock was 0% ytd until the election. Post election it is up roughly 70% ytd & has paid for Twitter & the Mars colony multiple times. Hard to say if that happens without him owning Twitter.

This. In hindsight, buying Twitter at a loss was well worth the long (though, more like medium) term results. As much as it disgusts me, I'm impressed.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by slibhb »

lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

> So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return

Modern (2024) LLMs are "little return"? Seriously? For me, they've mostly replaced Google. I have no idea how well the scaling will contiue and I'm generally unimpressed with AI-doomer narratives, but this technology is real.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Scene_Cast2 »

Flomolok wrote: post #92
lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

I tried Claude. If hardware continues it's evolution of speed in the next 10 years I can have Claude but local + running constantly and yeah that would change certain things fundamentaly

When ChatGPT was down a few days back, I locally booted up Codestral. It was decent and usable.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by computerex »

catigula wrote: post #88
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been clear for a while now Elon has no one in his life that's willing to push back on his inane ideas

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That same space company said that they'd do point to point commercial travel using rockets. As for significantly outperforming: Ask NASA, price per launch has gone UP not DOWN. What's the point of reusability if it doesn't affect the bottom line in a positive way?
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