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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

inetknght wrote: post #77
Reason077 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?

> to the cloud to locally Requires payment for backup of any meaningful size. > locally to your own storage I don't own a mac. I own Linux. How do I backup iOS to my device? How do I restore it?

>I own Linux.

That's the trouble with these niche desktop platforms, people don't write software for them.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by kimixa »

mistercheph wrote: post #155
eviks wrote: post #127

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> aren't real deterrents They are, because your listed alternatives are substandard. Just the fact you recommend incompatible LibreOffice as an MS Office alternative is enough, but then comparing KM to system defaults is also a joke. > The OSes are still mostly terminal-first And terminals are universally so bad at shortcuts that many can't even support all the modifiers keys on your keyboard

What kind of nightmare documents are you encountering that you actually run into MS Office / Libreoffice incompatibility?

And in turn don't also run into to incompatibility between different versions of MS office?

I've had at least as many issues moving complex documents between MS word versions than moving from MS to Libreoffice.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by hombre_fatal »

talldayo wrote: post #123
hmottestad wrote: post #117

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Sounds a bit too simplistic. Apple is about the only company that allows you to run any decently sized LLMs on a laptop. They also have all day battery life, amazing single-threaded performance and great multicore performance. And they didn’t stop there, they also threw in a truly fantastic display and speakers that are so far ahead of any competitors that I wonder what kind of magic they have that no other laptop br…

> Apple is about the only company that allows you to run any decently sized LLMs on a laptop Comments like these make me wonder if people even use different computers anymore or if they just say stuff and hope that it's right.

Without a concrete counter example you risk looking like you’re denying the claim with no elaboration and hoping you’re right. :P

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by hilux »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

> I didn’t want to buy another Mac just to restore from backups.

And then presumably one more Mac to backup your backup Mac.

It's Macs all the way down!

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by tcoff91 »

deaddodo wrote: post #115
submeta wrote: post #111

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Maybe. But what are the options? Windows? Not really. Linux/Debian/Ubuntu is great, in theory, but it lacks tools: Acorn, Keyboard Maestro, OnniGraffle, Alfred App, MS Office, MS Teams, and a dozen more. Plus Apple silicon. I test LLMs locally.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

Keyboard Maestro is a lot more powerful than what you're thinking of. A sequence of shell commands bound to hotkeys is in no way an adequate replacement.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by pjmlp »

SXX wrote: post #157
pjmlp wrote: post #146

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The day Microsoft decides Proton is a nuisance that gaming alternative is gone, as Valve decided fostering a GNU/Linux game ecosystem wasn't worth it.

Microsoft has joined Open Invention Network a while ago and AFAIK (though I can be wrong) Valve is also member of OIN. They can't really attack anyone using their patents now. And Valve is not exactly a small startup that's possible to sue into debt. Even though they're much smaller by headcount they certainly do have money and desire to fight any kind of legal battles. And with amount of goodwill Valve has from it's…

It is as easy as having Windows and XBox APIs that Proton isn't able to easily replicate, while requiring them for Windows Store and XBox Game Pass.

Valve got lucky with UWP.

No need for patents.

Also there is the whole question Microsoft has outlived its founders, will Valve be able to do the same, and those that come after Gabe will they sell it, what would their view be regarding Proton, and so on.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by ballooney »

janalsncm wrote: post #140
sinfulprogeny wrote: post #131

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> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

I have only ever used GIMP and I will admit that the UI looks like hell. I also rarely do anything very advanced in it anymore so I can’t say whether it has feature parity with PS.

I can, it doesn’t.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by jasomill »

bsder wrote: post #51
kelnos wrote: post #32

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And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

It's actually really difficult to roll back a MacOS machine to an earlier OS even with a full reinstall. You either have to make MacOS backup disks immediately upon opening the machine, or you have to find MacOS installation disks from the dodgy high seas.

Not really difficult to reinstall every major Intel Mac OS release, at least, as they're all downloadable from Apple in one way or another:

1. You can reinstall "the version of macOS that came with your Mac or the closest version that’s still available" via Internet Recovery[1].

2. You can download installers for every major release back to High Sierra from Apple via the App Store[2] or directly from Apple's update servers using a tool like installinstallmacos[3].

3. You can download installers for Sierra, El Capitan, Yosemite, Mountain Lion, and Lion directly from the Apple support site[2].

3. You can download Snow Leopard and Leopard from the Apple developer site[4] (free registration required; paid membership possibly required).

Note that the downloads on the developer site are the 10.x.0 retail builds, which may not be compatible with all Macs that shipped with a later build.

In this case, assuming the version you need is no longer available via Internet Recovery, you'll probably need to install and patch on an older machine, then transfer the patched install to the target via disk swapping, imaging, or NetInstall, or to install and patch directly to the target machine's hard drive using Target Disk Mode (or else track down a copy of the model-specific restore DVDs that shipped with the target).

Downloads from the App Store and support site should always be the latest point release, so this should only be a problem if you want to install Snow Leopard or Leopard on a post-release machine.

Installing non-final point releases is admittedly problematic: you can download some but not all x.y.0 builds from the developer site, some but not all patches from the support site, and a few x.y.(z Though I wouldn't even be a little surprised if older patch releases were still available, unadvertised, somewhere on some public Apple Web server, given that you can still download System 6.0.3 (released October 1990; last supported Mac was the Classic, discontinued September 1992) if you know the correct URLs[5].

[1] https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-macos-recovery-...

[2] https://support.apple.com/en-us/102662

[3] https://github.com/munki/macadmin-scripts

[4] https://developer.apple.com/download/all/

[5] http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Soft...

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Soft...

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Soft...

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Soft...

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by blackhaz »

sinfulprogeny wrote: post #131
deaddodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

Can confirm. GIMP after Photoshop is a true BDSM experience. And no, it's not about "doing things differently." It's a torture.
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