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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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redmajor12 wrote: post #108
submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Maybe. But what are the options? Windows? Not really. Linux/Debian/Ubuntu is great, in theory, but it lacks tools: Acorn, Keyboard Maestro, OnniGraffle, Alfred App, MS Office, MS Teams, and a dozen more. Plus Apple silicon. I test LLMs locally.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by LeoPanthera »

redmajor12 wrote: post #108
submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Are we reading different comments? Because the only reason he had problems is because he didn't do anything standard. He futzed with his backups instead of letting the OS take care of it, and that's the only reason he had any trouble.

If you let Time Machine doing it's thing, restoring from a backup is fast and painless.

(Though it's been years since I had to restore a Mac for any reason. It makes me wonder what he was doing.)

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by nrabulinski »

threeseed wrote: post #92
griomnib wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple’s built-in backup solution is called Time Machine. It was dogshit when it launched a decade ago, never got more reliable despite many OS releases, and is still largely dogshit. The author of the blog makes an application that is very good at making backups on macOS and now their app is broken due to skullduggery by Apple. So the issue is threefold: a) Apple further turning MascOS into iPhone, b) this harms comp…

Or it's the same thing that has been happening for 15 years. People install .0, .1 or .2 release. Complain about bugs. Bugs get fixed. Repeat.

Some might think this is what the beta is for but I guess not. Let’s excuse the multi trillion dollar company for releasing broken software, each release being more broken than the previous one

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by submeta »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #112
redmajor12 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Are we reading different comments? Because the only reason he had problems is because he didn't do anything standard. He futzed with his backups instead of letting the OS take care of it, and that's the only reason he had any trouble. If you let Time Machine doing it's thing, restoring from a backup is fast and painless. (Though it's been years since I had to restore a Mac for any reason. It makes me wonder what he w…

I had only 600-700 gb of data on my Mac. Installed OneDrive, did not know that I had configured my NAS to do 800gb of cloud backups to OneDrive. And Time Machine downloaded that data into its backup. Although I had configured OneDrive not to download that folder to my Mac. So time Machine screwed up in the first place.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by deaddodo »

submeta wrote: post #111
redmajor12 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Maybe. But what are the options? Windows? Not really. Linux/Debian/Ubuntu is great, in theory, but it lacks tools: Acorn, Keyboard Maestro, OnniGraffle, Alfred App, MS Office, MS Teams, and a dozen more. Plus Apple silicon. I test LLMs locally.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not):

> Acorn

GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can.

> Keyboard Maestro

GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The OSes are still mostly terminal-first (one of the big complaints, actually), and that translates into the DEs and Applications. A keyboard automation is just a sequence of commands.

This is probably one of the few areas where Linux almost definitely beats macOS or Windows.

> OnniGraffle

There's a large swathe of diagramming tools in Linux.

> Alfred App

Yep, both KDE and Gnome are able to handle this task as well as Alfred. Like automation, this is probably an area Linux will be able to shine above macOS.

> MS Office

LibreOffice would be the common alternative.

> MS Teams

They used to have an official client. They now recommend you create a PWA, and there are some unofficial clients that do pretty much that:

https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux

This seems to be the route they'll be going all around, similar to slack (web + an electron app).

> I test LLMs locally.

LLMs run fine on Linux, but you will be limited to about 16GB on the VRAM side. Though, you could technically use Asahi + Apple Silicon as the support matured if you want.

Most of these are open source applications, with cludgy UIs/warts and all; and aren't really designed by teams with UX masters, so operate oddly and require relearning. But if you were interested in making the move, they're options.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by wrs »

threeseed wrote: post #86
EasyMark wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's called radar I believe and they've used it for a long long time. I always assumed it was built completely in house in the before times

I worked at Apple a while ago and it was a WebObjects app. So I would bet that it was built at NeXT and brought across. It's in the archive going back to 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19991009144258/http://bugreport....

No, I used Radar in the pre-NeXT days. I even still have the state diagram mug from when it was introduced in the early 90s. At that point it was a client-server app, because the web didn’t exist yet.

Now, it may be that the Apple bug database is always called Radar, regardless of implementation, like the Dread Pirate Roberts.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by hmottestad »

redmajor12 wrote: post #108
submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Sounds a bit too simplistic. Apple is about the only company that allows you to run any decently sized LLMs on a laptop. They also have all day battery life, amazing single-threaded performance and great multicore performance. And they didn’t stop there, they also threw in a truly fantastic display and speakers that are so far ahead of any competitors that I wonder what kind of magic they have that no other laptop brand is able to put better speakers in their laptops.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by owlbite »

a2tech wrote: post #5
lxgr wrote: post #2

What is this about? I seem to be missing a lot of context. > Apple broke the replicator. What's the replicator? > What this means is this: until Apple fixes the bug, you'll have to use "Backup - all files" with "Smart Update" to copy everything but the OS. Use that where? Is that an option in some macOS tool?

This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bo…

Do we know if this was a bug in the beta releases of 15.2, or did it manifest only in the final version?

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by hmottestad »

submeta wrote: post #114
LeoPanthera wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we reading different comments? Because the only reason he had problems is because he didn't do anything standard. He futzed with his backups instead of letting the OS take care of it, and that's the only reason he had any trouble. If you let Time Machine doing it's thing, restoring from a backup is fast and painless. (Though it's been years since I had to restore a Mac for any reason. It makes me wonder what he w…

I had only 600-700 gb of data on my Mac. Installed OneDrive, did not know that I had configured my NAS to do 800gb of cloud backups to OneDrive. And Time Machine downloaded that data into its backup. Although I had configured OneDrive not to download that folder to my Mac. So time Machine screwed up in the first place.

Sounds like an edge case that Microsoft didn’t think of when they developed OneDrive on Mac. You should contact them and let them know that they should exclude OneDrive from Time Machine backups automatically unless it’s configured to download everything.

You can very easily exclude folders from Time Machine backups yourself.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by josephcsible »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #93
alwayslikethis wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

> the inability to make full backups Says who? I have been using this for years: adb backup -f backup.ab -apk -noshared -all -system

The issue is that Android lets app developers set , and doesn't give the owner a way to override that. Your command will just skip any such apps.
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