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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by snowwrestler »

pembrook wrote: post #227
lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

> no obvious large-scale product-market fit I mean, I know pessimistically "ackshually"-ing yourself into the wrong side of history is kind of Hackernews's thing (eg. that famous dropbox comment). But if you don't think OpenAI found product-market-fit with ChatGPT, then I don't think you understand what product-market-fit is...

It’s popular but not making money. So maybe product-audience fit so far.

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Post by ben_w »

samvher wrote: post #200
kulahan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't he fired for questionable reasons? I thought everyone wanted him back, and that's why he was able to return. It was, as I remember, just the board that wanted him out. I imagine if he was doing something truly nefarious, opinions might have been different, but I have no idea what kind of cult of personality he has at that company, so I might be wrong here.

Define everyone. I was delighted when they fired him. I don't believe he has humanity's best interest at heart.

745 of 770 employees responded on a weekend to call for his return, threatened mass resignations if the board did not resign; among the signatories was board member Sutskever, who defected from the board and publicly apologized for his participation in the board's previous actions.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by hn1986 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #22
ronsor wrote: post #3

I like this practice of publicly airing out dirty laundry.

It’s certainly in response to Elon getting more involved in the government. Recently the CFO basically challenged him to try and use his influence against competition “I trust that Elon would act completely appropriately… and not un-American [by abusing his influence for personal gain]”. The best thing they can do is shine as much light on his behavior in the hope that he backs down to avoid further scrutiny. Now tha…

It's naive for anyone to think that Elon won't use his influence in government to empower his companies and weaken his competitors.

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Post by threeseed »

freedomben wrote: post #51
codemac wrote: post #41

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> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.

> This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here. Sure, we probably can't know for sure who has the biggest as they try to keep that under wraps for competition purposes, but it's definitely not "wildly untrue." A simple search will show that they have if not the biggest, damn near one of the biggest. Ju…

Technically, it maybe the world's biggest single AI supercomputer.

But it ignores Amazon, Google and Microsoft/OpenAI being able to run training workloads across their entire clouds.

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Post by whoitwas »

hipadev23 wrote: post #42
vineyardmike wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s certainly in response to Elon getting more involved in the government. Recently the CFO basically challenged him to try and use his influence against competition “I trust that Elon would act completely appropriately… and not un-American [by abusing his influence for personal gain]”. The best thing they can do is shine as much light on his behavior in the hope that he backs down to avoid further scrutiny. Now tha…

> Now that Elon is competing, and involved with the government, he’ll be under a lot more scrutiny. That's the cutest fucking thing I've heard this year. In what world is anyone going to scrutinize Elon Musk? He's the right-hand man of the most powerful person in the world. The time for scrutiny was 8 years ago.

I didn't even realize he was American until this year. I thought he was African.

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Post by hatsix »

vwkd wrote: post #110

Sounds like Elon's "fourth attempt [..] to reframe his claims" might actually be close to the target. Otherwise, why would they engage in a publicity battle to sway public sentiment precisely now, if their legal case wasn't weak?

I'm generally in the camp of "I wouldn't miss anyone or anything involved in this story if they suddenly stopped existing", but I don't understand how engaging in a publicity battle is considered proof of anything. If their case was weak, what use is it to get the public on "their side" and they lose? If their case is strong, why wouldn't they want the public to be on their side?

I hope they all spend all of their money in court and go bankrupt.

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Post by akira2501 »

dang wrote: post #94
akira2501 wrote: post #10

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Ok, but please don't fulminate on HN*. Comments like this degrade the community for everyone. You may not owe people who you feel are spoiled rich kids better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. * this is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ok, but I think it's clear that what I wrote does not convey violence or vehemence but simple disrespect. A disrespect not born out of their early life and personal history but out of their actions here _today_.

Which I think I'm entitled to convey as these are two CEOs attempting to try a case in public while playing fast and loose with the truth to bolster their cases. You may feel that I, as a simple anonymous commentor, "owe this community better," but do you spare none of these same sentiments for the author himself?

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Post by TheGRS »

adabyron wrote: post #85
talldayo wrote: post #62

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The fact that owning Twitter was worth half a Mars colony to him should give you an idea of how seriously he's taking this whole thing. It's up there next to "Full Self Driving" and "$25,000 EV" in the Big Jar of Promises Used To Raise Capital and Nothing Else.

He bought Twitter for $40B. His Tesla stock was 0% ytd until the election. Post election it is up roughly 70% ytd & has paid for Twitter & the Mars colony multiple times. Hard to say if that happens without him owning Twitter.

Are we really giving Twitter that much credit these days? I feel like we gave it less credit when it was actually popular. I would give Elon jumping around on stage more credit than what Twitter/X did for this election.

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Post by mrshu »

kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #35
freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

> IIRC Elon has the biggest CPU compute cluster in the world right now Do you have a source for this? I don’t buy this when compared to Google, Amazon, Lawrence Livermore National Lab…

The claim seems to mostly be coming fro NVIDIA marketing [0].

[0] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...

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