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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by nicoburns »

eastbound wrote: post #412
tokioyoyo wrote: post #363

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I live in the neighbourhood in Canada with a lot of elder people. I mentioned in one of my previous comments as well, and MAiD is probably one of the best things that happened in our country in the past decade. I have distant relatives who took the MAiD way out (one because of the age, the other one terminal illness). It's not very uncommon to hear once every quarter in the coffee shop in my neighbourhood people chat…

The problem I have with MAiD is I’m not sure the subject really decided it. Forged signatures do exist (a lot) and you’re only a socialist state away from trying to save on public health expenditures by incinerating unwilling patients after pretending their agreement. Without much trace than two witnesses who say “He said it”. Not like it already happened for handicapped people in Germany. I’m quite sure it already h…

The problem I have with NOT having programs like MAiD is that you CAN be sure that the person didn't decide it. They are at the mercy of the whims of fate because we are not willing to give them agency.

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Post by aristofun »

ausbah wrote: post #457
aristofun wrote: post #426

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if you’re reducing the ethics of right to terminate one’s life to “far woke leftist diseases i don’t think you have anything valuable to contribute to the discussion

Nope. I just point to the root cause of the issue (devaluation of human life) skipping many intermediate steps and complications. I believe HN readers are smart enough to connect the dots.

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Post by aristofun »

pwillia7 wrote: post #435
aristofun wrote: post #426

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Why do you view it as disgusting? I have a great fear of sullying my good name and burdening my family before I get out of here

1. Its not you who started your life - its not for you to rationally decide when it’s over. It’s just a premeditated murder nothing less. Logic and ethics 101

2. Who are you to decide for your closed ones what is good for them? I sincerely wish you will have a decent loving relationship withthem so they cherish every day spent with you. No matter what is your condition.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

I'm sorry but people that just lost their life partner a week ago are really not "of sound mind" when it comes to taking such kind of decision and it's criminal in my opinion to let them.

What's next? We let teenagers choose to die after their first love breaks up with them?

I'm neither against nor for euthanasia, but I also think the situations where it's the best solution for everyone are extremely rare.

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Post by smitelli »

jen729w wrote: post #469
eastbound wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I have with MAiD is I’m not sure the subject really decided it. Forged signatures do exist (a lot) and you’re only a socialist state away from trying to save on public health expenditures by incinerating unwilling patients after pretending their agreement. Without much trace than two witnesses who say “He said it”. Not like it already happened for handicapped people in Germany. I’m quite sure it already h…

> Easy fraud for doctors, with plenty of incentives to commit it, and the highest consequences for the victim. I find this a bizarre way to assume that a person who has committed their entire lives to helping people would behave.

Ah yes, the new Hippocratic oath, “above all else, maximize your profit.”

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Post by aristofun »

unethical_ban wrote: post #466
aristofun wrote: post #426

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You're so off on this one. My Trump voting evangelical mother who has quite conservative social opinions says that if she ever gets Alzheimer's as bad as her mother had, she wants us to shoot her in the head. And I don't think she's kidding in the spirit of wanting to die rather than waste away without knowing who she is for years while someone else changes her underwear. Really, I have to wonder how you got it in yo…

Fair point. Sorry if I didn’t find more accurate wording. It’s not so much about politics per se, but about woke “i am the center of the world” mentality and set of values.

It is so happens that in Canada they often go hand in hand with extreme leftist and extreme radical atheistic ideologies.

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Post by karencarits »

Analemma_ wrote: post #237
bleakenthusiasm wrote: post #39

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One reason is religion. That aside, people are afraid that this could be abused. People could choose this purelyto avoid additional cost to their relatives. It could be used as an excuse why more costly options to avoid pain and suffering in old people might not be covered by insurance anymore. People could be talked into it for various reasons. Canada is a good example of a country where I think the base to make it…

> People could choose this purelyto avoid additional cost to their relatives. Why is this a bad thing? If there's a choice between giving $100,000 to my descendants and using it to keep me intubated in a hospital bed for an extra 6 months, I find the former preferable by far. If someone else doesn't, that's fine, but I find comments like this both annoying and creepily authoritarian in saying that the correct choice…

Not the op but I guess the idea is that questions of life and death should not primarily be economical questions. You are free to disagree, of course, and there is, at some level, economical considerations for all medical treatments. But at least I'm my country is there a sharp divide; an individual should receive the best available treatment without economical considerations. What treatments that are available for various conditions (not individuals!), however, are decided by comparing cost and utility.

There is also an argument that can be made about the meaning of economy is to make lives better, but the opposite is not true

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Post by aristofun »

unethical_ban wrote: post #466
aristofun wrote: post #426

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You're so off on this one. My Trump voting evangelical mother who has quite conservative social opinions says that if she ever gets Alzheimer's as bad as her mother had, she wants us to shoot her in the head. And I don't think she's kidding in the spirit of wanting to die rather than waste away without knowing who she is for years while someone else changes her underwear. Really, I have to wonder how you got it in yo…

Some people do actually shoot other people in the head, not just saying it.

But we put such enthusiasts in jail right?

There is no big ethical difference here.

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Post by hightrix »

Frederation wrote: post #432
wryoak wrote: post #353

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That’s not what life is about in Christianity at all. Life is about choice in Christianity. Freedom. You can choose to live for yourself or for others, for the world. Dwelling on one’s suffering is a form of egoism that distances one from others and thus God. That’s why suicide is a sin in Christian theology, because it arises from individualism, which denies the Holy Spirit that comprises and composes us all. Asking…

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