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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by wiseowise »

nashashmi wrote: post #168
dathos wrote: post #30

My grandma always told me when she couldn’t go on her walks anymore she didn’t consider life worth living. When she got dementia she was placed in a closed hospice, to “protect her”. Now she only walks when I visit, and I only see a shell of the woman she was. Anecdotal of course, but why do people think it’s an ethics question when society is individualistic as can be? There is no choice in being born, why don’t we…

> why do people think it’s an ethics question when society is individualistic as can be Because we disagree that society is individualistic. We are social creatures, not individualist creatures. And we need people around us. Including you needing your grandma. And she needs people like you. turn the question around: why do people feel easy escapes are ok? We came in this world and were assisted in our upbringing and…

> why do people feel easy escapes are ok?

Because they are ok. Why wouldn’t they be? You don’t get bonus points after life for suffering on “hardcore”.

> We came in this world

I don’t remember anyone asking me whether I wanted to come in here or not and I sure as hell won’t let anyone dictate how I want to die.

> and were assisted in our upbringing and lived to old age, so why is it ok that we can feel like we can just get up and leave?

Because you’ll die anyway.

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Post by Frederation »

wryoak wrote: post #353
Yeul wrote: post #329

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That’s not what life is about in Christianity at all. Life is about choice in Christianity. Freedom. You can choose to live for yourself or for others, for the world. Dwelling on one’s suffering is a form of egoism that distances one from others and thus God. That’s why suicide is a sin in Christian theology, because it arises from individualism, which denies the Holy Spirit that comprises and composes us all. Asking…

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Post by nashashmi »

jncfhnb wrote: post #378
nashashmi wrote: post #320

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The touch, the voice, the eyes of love, the concern, the stories, the heart, the smile, ... shall I go on?

Grandma doesn’t want to share those stories because it hurts to talk and she can’t see well and just generally she’s in a constant bad mood because her life sucks.

That would be the fault of those who are responsible for her happiness

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Post by dghlsakjg »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #125
mensetmanusman wrote: post #118

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Authoritarians that want to force doctors to provide death as a service?

There are concerns about assisted suicide being pushed on marginalized people who don't have terminal illnesses in Canada. I don't know if that is being driven by "authoritarians" but implying that the issue is just doctors providing death as a service (i.e. to people who are specifically requesting it unprompted) may not be completely accurate.

Are these concerns well founded?

Because outside of the less than a dozen cases that were roundly criticized across the board, and resulted in no deaths, I can't find any evidence that this is happening or will happen in Canada.

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Post by notatoad »

guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

>She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead.

this doesn't sound right? MAiD has a 90-day waiting period. He had to have started that process before his wife passed, and just picked the date after she passed.

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Post by rozap »

citizenpaul wrote: post #311

I understand that there is probably some sort of fear of murder or untimely death by doctors "throwing up their hands" or pressure from inheritors to "move on" However the hard line makes no sense. In most places that human euthanasia is illegal no one has any problem killing animals because it is more merciful than allowing them to spend their final time suffering tremendously.

Yea, I don't understand this. Is "the woke mind virus" as another poster in this thread called it also responsible for me putting my 14 year old dog with aggressive cancer down? Of course not. Death came for her and it would have been cruel to prolong the suffering. Pretty simple, and it's no different for humans.

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Post by ossobuco »

h1fra wrote: post #416

Euthanasia without good cheap universal healthcare is just a way to get rid of people in a sick society. Canada might not be the worst but their healthcare only cover 60-70% of canadians' need. And it's slowly getting worse with the private sector eating the market.

Had to scroll too much to find this comment.

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Post by geysersam »

simonh wrote: post #382
gambiting wrote: post #364

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Why is the alternative dogma egocentric hedonism? To me, the alternative to what she was doing is "dogma" of caring for another human. If they need help, if they cry out in pain, help them - not collect imaginary points of sending them to heaven. Not sure where egocentric hedonism plays into this.

You’re replying to someone who presumably thinks that if they personally didn’t have religion, they would be an egotistic hedonist. They don’t realise that doesn’t apply to many other people. I think with people like that, we’re better off if they keep their religion.

I didn't interpret their comment the same way you did. I interpreted it as: anything can be bad if taken to the extreme

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Post by airstrike »

dogman1050 wrote: post #245
JohnBooty wrote: post #226

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it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time [...] So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours I had a family member with late-stage terminal COPD opt out of further treatment. They were in respiratory crisis and were going to be intubated for the nth time with no real hope of recovery, and so they said "fuck it" and delined further intervention.…

I have, thanks. I'll always remember his last words to me, "You're a prince."

That's a beautiful memory. I'm sorry for your loss.
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