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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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HideousKojima wrote: post #296
dogman1050 wrote: post #119

After watching my father die with COPD, it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time. He opted out of lung-reduction surgery and was ready to die. So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours. How long can one live without water, a few days max? So that's what killed him. My sister-in-law who's a physician told me that's how it's typically done. I…

Withholding aid is morally fundamentally different than proactively ending someone's life.

In the sense that it's worse?

My dad also spent days dying from extremely aggressive cancer, being in unimaginable amounts of pain, with all of his organs slowly shutting down, his limbs becoming swollen from pooling blood, unable to drink, unable to eat, crying about how much pain he's in and how much he wants to go home. And all the hospital could do was give him enough morphine to knock him our and we waited by his bedside for 4 days until he finally drew his last breath, probably due to lack of fluids at this point.

Tell me - where does the "morality" stand here compared to him proactively ending his own life with a drug before all of this happened, if he had such an option and decided to take it? How is what he went through morally better like some people say it is compared to euthanasia(I don't know if you think that, but it's a common argument). There's no dignity in any of this.

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by thechao »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #266

Anyone who has worked at a hospital can tell you how many people die in needless pain and suffering when nothing more can really be done for them. They just wait out the clock in pain or do increasingly horrible procedures that give them a little more time with terrible quality of life. 5% is probably an underestimate of that number. Nurses/doctors don't like to speak up about that part and people don't want to confr…

I volunteered (and then worked) at a Federal hospital in the 90s, up until ~2002. Oncologists were notoriously underrepresented in the oncology department as patients. Instead, then tended to do whatever they wanted and then get dosed up to the gills with Morphine until dead, a few hours later. It was a very different way to run out the clock.

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by tokioyoyo »

nicoburns wrote: post #331
guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

It's not at all surprising to me! I fully expect to want to euthanise myself once I'm done with life (and I'm going to be pretty upset if it's not an option for me when it gets to that point). People tell me I'll change my mind (perhaps similarly to how people treat people who say they don't want kids). But I doubt I will. I've seen lot's of older people (and people who's lives are not good) still want this when it c…

I live in the neighbourhood in Canada with a lot of elder people. I mentioned in one of my previous comments as well, and MAiD is probably one of the best things that happened in our country in the past decade. I have distant relatives who took the MAiD way out (one because of the age, the other one terminal illness). It's not very uncommon to hear once every quarter in the coffee shop in my neighbourhood people chatting about this program. Older people are generally happy having a way out, rather than suffering and bringing pain to their close ones.

Both of my parents (in their 70s) mentioned how they want to go out the same way once they're incapable of living and start suffering. I feel the same about it as well. I understand there are very small amount of cases where people shouldn't be able to take this way out, but it's a net good. I really hate how global media is trying to turn it into a big conversation and "slippery slope", because if anyone who has seen their loved one suffer... they would never want this program to end.

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Post by gambiting »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #354
gambiting wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that entire dogma is giving us monsters like Mother Theresa who thought that by letting people in her care suffer she made it more likely they will make it to heaven - and well, the Catholic Church has agreed with that interpretation and made her a Saint. This was touched upon in a game called Indika released this year......there's a story there how a guy ended the suffering of his young child who was in constan…

The alternative dogma of egocentric hedonism creates at least as many monsters.

Why is the alternative dogma egocentric hedonism? To me, the alternative to what she was doing is "dogma" of caring for another human. If they need help, if they cry out in pain, help them - not collect imaginary points of sending them to heaven. Not sure where egocentric hedonism plays into this.

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Post by ne0flex »

7thpower wrote: post #184
dogman1050 wrote: post #119

After watching my father die with COPD, it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time. He opted out of lung-reduction surgery and was ready to die. So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours. How long can one live without water, a few days max? So that's what killed him. My sister-in-law who's a physician told me that's how it's typically done. I…

Yes, I think that is not well understood. When my father-in-law passed, in a rural assisted living facility, we found they had stopped feeding him despite saying they were and our requests that they continue. We were stuck in this uncomfortable position of not being able to move him somewhere else, being completely blindsided by his (bone and bladder) cancer and how quickly it progressed, and not knowing what standar…

Both my grandfather and my aunt were palliative care towards their end. Their respective care providers kept asking them if they'd like to increase dosage of their medicine (can't remember what my grandfather was one, but my aunt was on morphine). Despite both of them at the time said that they didn't want to increase dosage, but the care provider kept trying to increase. My family's theory is that they were trying to speed their passing. Both cases were in Canada.

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Post by heroprotagonist »

guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

My great-grandfather stuck around for a year or two with various eldery-issues after his wife died.

Then he had to hang himself, because there was no legal or easy way to humanely end his own life.

Apparently he did it wrong, but died anyway. Just more slowly and more painfully, without any support.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

Yeul wrote: post #329
guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

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Yeah, the first noble truth of Christianity is life is suffering.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

nashashmi wrote: post #162
gnfargbl wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can listen to the account yourself at https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00253mt , from around 25 minutes onwards. I found it convincing.

vomit is usually liquid or heavily digested stuff. feces is compacted and excreted. my imagination maybe a little specific here but so is the description "fully formed feces"

If your intestines are obstructed, and the fecal matter has started forming, and it's trying to come out, where do you think it will come out from?
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