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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by cuuupid »

ribadeo wrote: post #404
cuuupid wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DoD has very publicly stated that these are safe; I know Americans have a lot of distrust in their military but when it comes to matters of national security and defense the intel community is more or less omniscient. Knowing the current capabilities of the military, there is also no possibility that this is not safe and yet cannot be handled after this long, which kinda rules out any boring explanation. When it…

No, the DOD has NOT "declared them safe" Please confirm the actual statement made. No evidence of harm as of yet, or somesuch.

From Singh earlier today: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/...

> at no point were our installations threatened when this activity was occurring

> What our initial assessment here is that these are not drones or activities coming from a foreign entity or adversary

> initial assessments are that these are drones and potentially, you know, could be small airplanes

> But I think what's also important to remember is that at no time were our military installations or our people ever under any threat

This is about as declarative as the Pentagon will get on the matter

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Post by pontifier »

quantadev wrote: post #273

Guided missiles have been illegal for consumer use for decades, and nobody cared. It makes sense that those are a military weapon. I also think drones are a military grade weapon. I've been saying for the past 24 years drones should be illegal. After 9/11 2001, I started saying that. I've also said they will not be made illegal util there's a massive terror attack proving their lethality to the lethargic naive public…

[Blank] doesn't kill people, people kill people.

Lethal action will occur when seen as a solution regardless of the tools available. It's happened throughout human history, and will likely keep happening until we can solve our problems without it.

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Post by gredbeard »

keepamovin wrote: post #406
craftsman wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation" This statement logically means that: * The Pentagon assessed (determined) that X is true * Where X is defined as "The drones do not originate in the US or any other nation" That is different than the statement: * The Pentagon has stated that (a) X is false, and (b) they have no evidence that Y is true. * Where X is defined as "T…

For clarity the exact words the Pentagon staff in the video used are: "at this time we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary...these are not US military drones" What's your thoughts?

Not "military" drones seems very very open to interpretation. Is DARPA Military? Or is military being used in a generic sense of the dictionary definition vs. the US government budgetary definition?

My assumption is these are US military drones.

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Post by throwawaycities »

binary132 wrote: post #393
throwawaycities wrote: post #331

Almost no chance these are not US military. The drones have been appearing very consistently, if there were the slightest concern of foreign military drones, then military jets would have been scrambled to intercept - there have been no such reports.

Military jets scrambled to intercept a bunch of random UAVs? Do you know how expensive those things are to operate?

Yes, that is the protocol when aircraft enter restricted airspace like next to military bases - which has been reported.

Besides training, intercepting aircraft is primarily what jets do. In terms of cost, it’s a lot less expensive to scramble jets than the alternative, that’s why that is the protocol for a number of situations including things as mundane as aircraft losing communications.

Here there has been significant reporting, so it would be a national security risk and national embarrassment for the Country if the military was unable to demonstrate air superiority when our territorial sovereignty is violated by drones.

Unless you’re familiar with different FAA and NORAD protocols than I am, which it doesn’t seem like you are, the most likely explanation is they are military craft and exercises.

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Post by stephencanon »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #334
cuuupid wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At times like this it's helpful to use a simple, three point framework: [1] What do we know? [2] What is noise? [3] What is the boring explanation? For [1], we know there are likely _some_ drones. We know drones are a very hot topic for defense at the moment and that countries are heavily investing in this area. We know that these systems need very heavy testing for coordination, surveillance, etc. and we know that o…

Fort Dix, which is an airforce base, is in New Jersey. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was them. There was an incident some years ago when a very strange supersonic noise blasted out from that area and the government was very quiet about it.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Fort Dix, is in fact, Joint Base McGuire–Dix–Lakehurst, or as the DOD has recently taken to calling it, JB MDL. Fort Dix is not an army base unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning tri-force base hosted by the Air Force and including units from all six service branches.

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Post by sitkack »

sitkack wrote: post #74
antonvs wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is more evidence here than just pictures from this one article. What “more evidence”? All the Pentagon is saying is that there’s no evidence that’s a foreign entity is behind it. Not “more” evidence.

Can you or can you not draw a red line with a blue pen?

The Expert (Short Comedy Sketch) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

It was a comment on the inability of half of this thread to use basic logic.

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Post by c0redump »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #360
pygar wrote: post #16

So is Iran just going to be the default bogeyman until they drum up enough negative sentiment for a war? Iran doesn't really have any military projection. It can't even move equipment and people into countries it's close to (Syria, Iraq), let alone the US. Why would they take the risk of doing this? It's obviously bullshit.

I think the American public is a lot more cynical than when they were duped into war with Iraq 20 years ago. Certain people will try and drag you into an Iranian war, but I don't think it will work now. The playbook has been used too many times.

I agree with you in general, except for one important point - I think it will work again. Plenty of people will see through the lie, but enough will buy it that they’ll get their war.

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Post by Vegenoid »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #358
cuuupid wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At times like this it's helpful to use a simple, three point framework: [1] What do we know? [2] What is noise? [3] What is the boring explanation? For [1], we know there are likely _some_ drones. We know drones are a very hot topic for defense at the moment and that countries are heavily investing in this area. We know that these systems need very heavy testing for coordination, surveillance, etc. and we know that o…

I feel like you already have decided that this is safe and then are using "boring" explanations to back that narrative. This is easy cause nothing bad has happened in a while so it's less cognitive dissonance to go with that narrative. Have you even tried coming up with boring explanations on how this could be not safe? Also why specifically boring explanations? Plenty of incidents have dramatic explanations. How do…

> Also why specifically boring explanations?

Without referring to anything specific about this case, things usually have boring explanations because what makes an explanation boring is that it is expected and empirically likely.

“The most likely explanation is the most boring one” is practically a tautology, because “boring” practically means “likely” in regards to explanations of events.

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Post by stevenhuang »

partiallypro wrote: post #82

This is the biggest mass hysteria I can remember. People are sharing video of things that are very obviously airplanes and helicopters. I'm sure there are some drones but that isn't 95%+ of what people are seeing. This is honestly terrifying, because it's baffling people can't determine what is generally regular aircraft (some of these videos are SO obviously planes coming in for a landing, with jet engine noises and…

Why are you so certain it must be mass hysteria and not UAP? What are your piors? Are you a resident of NJ? Are you familiar with the UAP phenomenon?

I venture you are neither of these.

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