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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

Vegenoid wrote: post #398
keepamovin wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You interpreted me as saying?

I interpreted your statement as “the Pentagon has assessed the drones and determined that they did not originate in the US or any other nation”.

Basically yeah, there's some room for interpretation, but the key thing is the exact words the Pentagon spokesmen used are:

"at this time we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary...these are not US military drones"

The linked video starts at the relevant timestamp.

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Post by ribadeo »

nine_k wrote: post #372
hshshshshsh wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you already have decided that this is safe and then are using "boring" explanations to back that narrative. This is easy cause nothing bad has happened in a while so it's less cognitive dissonance to go with that narrative. Have you even tried coming up with boring explanations on how this could be not safe? Also why specifically boring explanations? Plenty of incidents have dramatic explanations. How do…

If the military proclaimed these drones safe and are not shooting them down like crazy, these drones are likely reasonably safe, and are not an enemy that the US military, arguably the top one in the world, would fight. A possible bad explanation: the US military actually would love to shoot down these drones, but cannot, because e.g. they are known to contain smallpox virus, dangerous radioactive contaminants, etc.…

The military did NOT "declare them safe".

A spokesperson said that there was no proven harm done or something to that effect, as i particularly noted this oddball statement for what it was.

Please do go back and confirm.

I also think that any threat actor would attempt to dampen down alarm. GIVEN Putins proclivity and capabilities in convincing a cerain percentage of decadent western nations (tm) populations of certain scenarios in world power mongering, i dont see a brazen foreign drone surveillance campaign as out of the question.

Mind you, i did not allege that this is such, but that dismissal of such is currently impossible and unwise.

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

comp_throw7 wrote: post #395
keepamovin wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You interpreted me as saying?

"are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday... to not originate in the US or any other nation" = "the Pentagon claims to actively know that the drones aren't from any publicly-known line of drone models"

Well that's not exactly what they said. Here's the transcript:

"at this time we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary...these are not US military drones"

What do you make of that?

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Post by ribadeo »

cuuupid wrote: post #365
hshshshshsh wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you already have decided that this is safe and then are using "boring" explanations to back that narrative. This is easy cause nothing bad has happened in a while so it's less cognitive dissonance to go with that narrative. Have you even tried coming up with boring explanations on how this could be not safe? Also why specifically boring explanations? Plenty of incidents have dramatic explanations. How do…

The DoD has very publicly stated that these are safe; I know Americans have a lot of distrust in their military but when it comes to matters of national security and defense the intel community is more or less omniscient. Knowing the current capabilities of the military, there is also no possibility that this is not safe and yet cannot be handled after this long, which kinda rules out any boring explanation. When it…

No, the DOD has NOT "declared them safe"

Please confirm the actual statement made.

No evidence of harm as of yet, or somesuch.

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Post by hindsightbias »

whimsicalism wrote: post #215
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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I think social media is really having a detrimental impact on these sort of mass panics.

Anybody with a DJI can fly over NJ with impunity right now. Xmas night is going to be dronapalooza.

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

craftsman wrote: post #400
keepamovin wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You interpreted me as saying?

> "are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation" This statement logically means that: * The Pentagon assessed (determined) that X is true * Where X is defined as "The drones do not originate in the US or any other nation" That is different than the statement: * The Pentagon has stated that (a) X is false, and (b) they have no evidence that Y is true. * Where X is defined as "T…

For clarity the exact words the Pentagon staff in the video used are:

"at this time we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary...these are not US military drones"

What's your thoughts?

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Post by hedora »

quantadev wrote: post #324
kurtoid wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A _lot_ of hobbyists (me included) disagree with you on this one. I think the current Remote ID law (controversial, yes) is a reasonable balance.

Once a high profile attack or assassination happens with remote operated vehicles (drones or high-speed model jets), everyone's minds will change in a heartbeat. For now yeah most people think of drones as toys. It's just a failure of imagination and a failure to predict the obvious future events that are certain to unfold.

The US has been murdering civilians overseas with drones for over a decade.

Also, domestically, we have all sorts of school shootings, etc, that don’t make the news.

I’m sure if someone in power wanted to ban commercial drones, they could run a propaganda blitz and get the outcome you describe, but we’re pretty much a post-truth society at this point.

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Post by binary132 »

mindslight wrote: post #64
KK7NIL wrote: post #9

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The FAA looks down on people shooting at flying objects they can barely recognize, as this guy learned the hard way: https://www.yahoo.com/news/retiree-shot-walmart-delivery-dro...

> DroneUp Delivery was working on mock deliveries for Walmart and had set up a delivery point outside of Mr Winn’s ... home > The defendant stated he had past experience with drones and believed they were surveilling him The question I'm left with after reading that article - was this test delivery point for a single trial run, or did this company choose one random location and then repeatedly send tests there over a…

Companies should not be sending UAVs to anyone’s property without permission, period. This stuff needs to get sorted out in law and these bozos need to back off.

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Post by Vegenoid »

conductr wrote: post #397
Vegenoid wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation To be clear, they stated that “these are not US military drones”, and that they have no evidence that they are from a foreign entity or adversary, which is very different from what I interpreted you as saying.

What evidence do they have though? I’m going with none and it seems odd to me they’re ok just letting the local law enforcement run point

Why would one believe that US intelligence agencies have no information about extensive reports of drone activity near military installations? Given that this has been happening for a couple weeks now, and the military has said “these are not a threat”, the clearly more plausible explanation is that they know what these are, and they aren’t saying.

This is what the military does when they are testing classified military technology. “It’s not ours. It’s not the enemy’s. It’s not a threat. Nothing to see here.”

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Post by throw10920 »

davidw wrote: post #379
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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A decent percentage of the population thinks that the president of the US can control the weather. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-not-controlling-the-... The fact of the matter is that a lot of people have rotten, worm-riddled cabbage for brains.

Where in that article does it state the percentage of people that believe that?
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