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Post by thih9 »

jprete wrote: post #901
thih9 wrote: post #790

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There are projects like https://contentcredentials.org/ . If we want, with some effort we could distinguish between real and ai generated. If.

No individual actor - human or corporate - stands to benefit enough because "trust in reality" is neither easily measured nor financialized.

Some do care, e.g. some camera manufacturers or some news agencies. Surprisingly some social media platforms[1] want clear labels for AI generated content.

[1]: e.g. tiktok https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/partnering-with-our-indust...

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Post by ckcheng »

NoNotTheDuo wrote: post #915

Their example videos: https://openai.com/sora/ , of the doors opening, are hilarious. 1. The first set of doors doesn't have any doorknobs or handles. https://ibb.co/PwqfzBq 2. The second set of doors has handles, and some very large/random hinges on the left door. https://ibb.co/JkDtc6r 3. The third set doesn't have any handles, but I can forgive that, because we're in a spaceship now. The problem is that the inside…

I think they trained on one too many closet bifold doors [1].

If you look at the edge of the doors as they swing open, it seems their movement resembles bifold door movement (there's a wiggle to it common to bifold doors that normal doors never have). Plus they seem to magically reveal an inner fold that wasn't there before.

[1]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=interior+bifold+closet+doors&...

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Post by staticman2 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #886
staticman2 wrote: post #227

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I haven't used SORA, but none of the GenAI I'm aware of could produce a competent comic book. When a human artist draws a character in a house in panel 1, they'll draw the same house in panel 2, not a procedurally generated different house for each image. If a 60 year old grizzled detective is introduced in page 1, a human artist will draw the same grizzled detective in page 2, 3 and so on, not procedurally generate…

Btw there’s a way to match characters in a batch in the forge webUI which guarantees that all images in the batch have the same figure in it. Trivial to implement this in all other image generators. This critique is baseless.

So prove it. If you are in good faith arguing an AI, via automation can draw a comic script with consistent figures, please tell an AI to draw the images in the first 3 pages of this script I pulled from the comic book script archive:

https://www.comicsexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/...

Or if you can't do this, explain why the feature you mentioned cannot do this, and what it or good for?

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Post by cokeandpepsi »

quenix wrote: post #212
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

It saddens me. Innovations in AI 'art' generation (music, audio, photo) have been a net negative to society and are already actively harming the Internet and our media sphere. Like I said in another comment, LLMs are cool and useful, but who in the hell asked for AI art? It's good enough to fool people and break the fragile trust relationship we had with online content, but is also extremely shit and carries no meani…

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Post by talldayo »

xvector wrote: post #614
sksrbWgbfK wrote: post #571

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I wonder how all those European companies are doing it. They ship everything all the time, avoid the $billions fines, yet make mistakes like everybody else. > how much the EU slowed down innovation You say this all the time, yet we're doing fine. How come?

> I wonder how all those European companies are doing it. Carefully crafted/gerrymandered laws that only rent seek from American big tech. > You say this all the time, yet we're doing fine. How come? You're not doing fine. I don't know how you can look back at the stagnation of the past two decades in the EU and think you're "doing fine." One of our companies is worth more than your entire tech industry. Your enginee…

> Carefully crafted/gerrymandered laws that only rent seek from American big tech.

Alright then; who else should have been covered with the DMA in your opinion? Which other companies created unfair tax arrangements that have avoided scrutiny for decades?

Oh, nobody as large as Apple? Huh. Sounds like they're not targeting American companies at all, but instead prioritizing the biggest violators.

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Post by talldayo »

rtsil wrote: post #602
xvector wrote: post #511

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Maybe if a lot of you in big tech hadn't misused our personal data and sold it to the highest bidders, or hadn't stiffled small tech innovations through monopoly, the EU wouldn't need to regulate you so hard.

Bingo. People on this website love Apple products so much that they can't see past their own materialism to admit Apple is a bad business. It's fine to like Jony Ive's designs; fact of the matter is that Tim Cook is preventing innovation with his business decisions. Apple users are being segregated from novel and useful software because the first-party distributor gets cold feet thinking about it.

I guess they'll get their rude awakening someday. If xvectors comments here are any indication, it seems like they're starting to get out of the proverbial bed at least.

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Post by BoorishBears »

phtrivier wrote: post #808
BoorishBears wrote: post #803

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> People would not respect the mandate, and we would consider that illegal, and use the monopoly on force to take money out of their bank account. Imagine a culture that would harness their frustration at being left out in the direction of innovating on their own. Defining the status quo on things like watermarks by leading the field and then demonstrating how to act from the front. Seems like they'd be more effectiv…

That's going to sound luddite and backwards, but to be completely honest, I'm not 100% "frustrated" about being "left out" from "far west"-style AI image generation. At this point, really, I can think of exactly two use cases: * cheaply producing ads * cheaply producing fake news And it's terrifying, and the people jumping in the bandwagon are scaring me. There is this quote in "13 days" [1] where people are discussi…

You clearly are very frustrated that you're being left out of their AI, to the point you're wishing you could use violence to take their money over it.

The problem is you seem to think your involvement in the advancements should be orthogonal to your involvement in regulation.

That doesn't work in a world with sovereign nations: as cartoonish as comparing this to nuclear holocaust is, who do you think had more of a role in disarmament, the nuclear-weapon states, or the non-nuclear powers signing treaties with other non-nuclear powers?

If France had their own OpenAI releasing their own Sora with all the regulations you can dream of there'd be more of a discussion to be had over how a SOTA model should be rolled out, with actual counterfactuals to the approach the US and China have taken.

(Of course, Mistral is mostly American money... so I wouldn't bank on them taking a different road.)

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Post by robomartin »

exodust wrote: post #709
robomartin wrote: post #514

Here's something I find interesting: We have multiple paid accounts with OpenAI. In other words, we are paying customers. I have yet to see a single announcement or new development that we learn about through email. In most cases we learn these things when they get covered by some online outfit, posted on HN, etc. OpenAI isn't the only company that seems to act in this manner. I find this to be interesting. Your payi…

I'd be interested to know how many people around here pay for ChatGPT. Is it common? I would have thought technical people would be choosing AI tools other than chatGPT. So you use it mainly for coding? Or are you chatting with it and doing all those "fun" things?

We are developing with agents and tools with these technologies, so full immersion is a necessity. There's so much going on it is almost impossible to stay on top of it.

Regarding paying for access, for me it is about a combination of reasons. I want to support their efforts and that of others, so we have paid accounts where possible. Beyond that, it is about being up to date on the state of the art. Some of it is paid, and some is FOSS.

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Post by nonameiguess »

isoprophlex wrote: post #60
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

And another thing that irks me: none of these video generators get motion right... Especially anything involving fluid/smoke dynamics, or fast dynamic momements of humans and animals all suffer from the same weird motion artifacts. I can't describe it other than that the fluidity of the movements are completely off. And as all genai video tools I've used are suffering from the same problem, I wonder if this is someho…

As far as I can tell it's a problem with CGI at all. Whether you're using precise physics models or learned embeddings from watching videos, reproducing certain physical events is computationally very hard, whereas recording them just requires a camera (and of course setting up the physical world to produce what you're filming, or getting very lucky). The behind the scenes from House of the Dragon has a very good discussion of this from the art directors. After a decade and a half of specializing in it, they have yet to find any convincing way to create fire other than to actually create fire and film it. This isn't a limitation of AI and it has nothing to do with intelligence. A human can't convincingly animate fire, either. It seems to me that discussions like this from the optimist side always miss this distinction and it's part of why I think Ben Affleck was absolutely correct that AI can't replace filmmaking. Regardless of the underlying approach, computationally reproducing what the world gives you for free is simply very hard, maybe impossible. The best rendering systems out there come nowhere close to true photorealism over arbitrary scenarios and probably never will.
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