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Sora makes movies less interesting, regardless of how they're created.

The part made by Sora? About as interesting as the latest chess programs doing well at chess. woohoo/nice job.

The overall effect? Now we spend mental energy trying to figure out which parts are machine generated, and hence not worth anything. That mental energy is gone, sucked out of the cultural economy, and fed to the machinery of mediocrity.

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This almost certainly won’t work. Feel free to feed any of the hundreds of existing film scripts and test how coherent the models can be. My guess is not at all

This will almost certainly be in theaters within 5 years, probably first as a small experimental project (think blair witch).

The Blair Witch Project was a (surprise) creative masterpiece. It worked with very limited technology to create a very clever plot which was paired with an amazing marketing. The combination of which the world hadn’t seen before. It took some creative geniuses to peace the Blair Witch Project together.

Generative AI will never produce an experience like that. I know never is a long time, but I’m still gonna call it. You simply can’t produce such a fresh idea by gathering a bunch of data and interpolating.

Maybe someday enough AI will be good enough to create shorter or longer videos with some dialog and even a coherent story (though I doubt it), but it won‘t be fresh or creative. And we humans will at best enjoy it for its stupidity or sloppiness. Not for its cleverness or artistry.

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Until these models can figure out physics, it seems to me they will be an interesting toy

But they don't, they just understand pixel relationships (right?)

You can model a lot of basic physics through observing 1,000,000 videos

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Sora makes movies less interesting, regardless of how they're created. The part made by Sora? About as interesting as the latest chess programs doing well at chess. woohoo/nice job. The overall effect? Now we spend mental energy trying to figure out which parts are machine generated, and hence not worth anything. That mental energy is gone, sucked out of the cultural economy, and fed to the machinery of mediocrity.

If you have to spend mental energy trying to figure out which is which solely to blindly and automatically disregard something, maybe there’s useful stuff there to enjoy instead.

I certainly don’t dislike all the cool movies where special effects are CG just because the old time stop motion artists from 1950s Flash Gordon aren’t using sparklers. Similarly I’m not going to discount new creation that can be enjoyable no matter the provenance.

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Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

They should have kept this amazing tech under the wraps because you have a bad feeling about it? Hate to break it to you, but there have been fake videos on the internet ever since it has existed. There are more ways to fake videos than GenAI. If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own. You shouldn't trust things on the internet anyway unless…

Amazing tech != socially good

Of course, as knowledgeable people in tech we can look at the last few years of AI improvements as technically remarkable. pen2l is talking about social impact.

I hope our trade can collectively become adults at the big table of Real Engineers. Consider the impact on humanity of your work. If you don’t care, then you are either recklessly irresponsible, don’t know any better, or are intentionally causing harm at scale.

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Sora makes movies less interesting, regardless of how they're created. The part made by Sora? About as interesting as the latest chess programs doing well at chess. woohoo/nice job. The overall effect? Now we spend mental energy trying to figure out which parts are machine generated, and hence not worth anything. That mental energy is gone, sucked out of the cultural economy, and fed to the machinery of mediocrity.

Star Wars? Not worth anything, huge reliance on "machine-generated" imagery. Lord of the Rings? Useless film, uses "machine-generated" imagery. Don't even get me started on anything by Pixar.

/s

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> What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. Part of the problem is the "half decent approximations" tend towards a clichéd average, the audience won't know that the cool cyberpunk cityscape you generated isn't exactly what you had in mind, but they will know that it looks like eve…

Empirically, we've passed the point where that's true, for someone not being lazy about it. https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-ar... In other words, someone willing to tweak the prompt and press the button enough times to say "yeah, that one, that's really good" is going to have a result which cannot in fact be reliably binned as AI-generated.

I mean, no? None of the AI-generated images managed to be indistinguishable. Some people were much better than others at spotting the differences. He even quotes, at length, an artist giving a detailed breakdown of what's wrong with one of the images he thought was good.

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Looks interesting. I am on the hunt for clean tools for producing presentations. I really like Powerpoint, mainly because of their animation and vector editing features. However, I don't want to keep using a proprietary tool.

just use a canva template

Thanks, I did not know that you could use Canva for presentations. However, it is still proprietary software. (Worse, it lives on the web)

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

People are smart enough to know that what you see in movies isn't real. It will just take a little time for people to realize that now applies to all videos and images.

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