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Post by pesus »

nicbou wrote: post #434
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The onus will be on the rest of society to defend itself from all the grift that will result from this.

If the worst we ultimately get from this kind of tech is grifting, I will consider that a very positive outcome.

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Post by bnrdr »

dang wrote: post #275
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #54

Link should be annoucement post: https://openai.com/index/sora-is-here/

Ok, we changed the URL to that from https://sora.com/ above.

The bear video is quite funny - two bear cubs merge into one and another cub appears out of the adult bear’s leg.

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Post by throawayonthe »

nostromo wrote: post #432
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The irony is that users want more freedom and fewer safeguards. But these companies are rightfully worried about regulators and legislatures, often led by a pearl-clutching journalists, so we can't have nice things.

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Post by robertlagrant »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #198
jsheard wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. Part of the problem is the "half decent approximations" tend towards a clichéd average, the audience won't know that the cool cyberpunk cityscape you generated isn't exactly what you had in mind, but they will know that it looks like eve…

> I think the pursuit of fidelity has made the models less creative over time (...) their output is ever more homogenized and interchangable. Ironically, we're long past that point with human creators , at least when it comes to movies and games. Take sci-fi movies, compare modern ones to the ones from the tail end of the 20th century. Year by year, VFX gets more and more detailed (and expensive) - more and better li…

I agree. The one shining hope I have is the incredible art and animation style of Fortiche[0]'s Arcane[1] series. Watch that, and then watch any recent (and identikit) Pixar movie, and they are just streets ahead. It's just brilliant.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortiche

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcane_(TV_series)

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Post by sergiogdr »

computerex wrote: post #416
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

They should have kept this amazing tech under the wraps because you have a bad feeling about it? Hate to break it to you, but there have been fake videos on the internet ever since it has existed. There are more ways to fake videos than GenAI. If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own. You shouldn't trust things on the internet anyway unless…

> If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own

"just be privileged as I was to get all the necessary education to be able to not be fooled by this tech". Yeah, very realistic and compassionate.

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Post by robertlagrant »

randomcatuser wrote: post #195
jsheard wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. Part of the problem is the "half decent approximations" tend towards a clichéd average, the audience won't know that the cool cyberpunk cityscape you generated isn't exactly what you had in mind, but they will know that it looks like eve…

a somewhat counterintuitive argument is this: AI models will make the overall creative landscape more diverse and interesting, ie, less "average"! Imagine the space of ideas as a circle, with stuff in the middle being more easy to reach (the "cliched average"). Previously, traversing the circle was incredibly hard - we had to use tools like DeviantArt, Instragram, etc to agglomerate the diverse tastes of artists, hop…

It's just like when Bootstrap came out. Terrible-looking websites stopped appearing, but so did beautiful websites.

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Post by throwup238 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #157
janalsncm wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is if you are the artist and have something in your head. It’s the same problem with image editing. I am sure you have experienced this.

There is no problem unless you insist on reflecting what you had in mind exactly . That needs minute controls, but no matter the medium and tools you use, unless you're doing it in your own quest for artistic perfection, the economic constraints will make you stop short of your idea - there's always a point past which any further refinement will not make a difference to the audience (which doesn't have access to the…

Nobody else really cares about the lower order bits of the idea but they do care that those lower order bits are consistent. The simplest example is color grading: most viewers are generally ignorant of artistic choices in color palettes unless it’s noticeable like the Netflix blue tint but a movie where the scenes haven’t been made consistently color graded is obviously jarring and even an expensive production can come off amateur.

GenAI is great at filling in those lower order bits but until stuff like ControlNet gets much better precision and UX, I think genAI will be stuck in the uncanny valley because they’re inconsistent between scenes, frames, etc.

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Post by sleepybrett »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

'when civilization collapses because all photo, audio and video evidence is 100% suspect, i mean, how could you blame us'

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Post by sleepybrett »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #424
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

This almost certainly won’t work. Feel free to feed any of the hundreds of existing film scripts and test how coherent the models can be. My guess is not at all

This will almost certainly be in theaters within 5 years, probably first as a small experimental project (think blair witch).

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Post by jstummbillig »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Do we not want new stuff? If the answer is "Sure, but only if whoever invents the stuff does all the work and finds all rough edges" then the answer is actually just "No, thanks".
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