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Post by janalsncm »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #157
janalsncm wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is if you are the artist and have something in your head. It’s the same problem with image editing. I am sure you have experienced this.

There is no problem unless you insist on reflecting what you had in mind exactly . That needs minute controls, but no matter the medium and tools you use, unless you're doing it in your own quest for artistic perfection, the economic constraints will make you stop short of your idea - there's always a point past which any further refinement will not make a difference to the audience (which doesn't have access to the…

I disagree. Even without exactness, adding any reasonable constraints is impossible. Ask it to generate a realistic circuit diagram or chess board or any other thing where precision matters. Good luck going back and forth getting it right.

These are situations with relatively simple logical constraints, but an infinite number of valid solutions.

Keep in mind that we are not requiring any particular configuration of circuit diagram, just any diagram that makes sense. There are an infinite number of valid ones.

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Post by nostromo »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The irony is that users want more freedom and fewer safeguards.

But these companies are rightfully worried about regulators and legislatures, often led by a pearl-clutching journalists, so we can't have nice things.

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Post by alpha_squared »

amelius wrote: post #410
jerf wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just plain isn't possible if you mean a prompt the size of what most people have been using lately, in the couple hundred character range. By sheer information theory, the number of possible interpretations of "a zoom in on a happy dog catching a frisbee" means that you can not match a particular clip out of the set with just that much text. You will need vastly more content; information about the breed, informati…

Can't you just give it a photo of a dog, and then say "use this dog in this or that scene"?

How would that even work? A dog has physical features (legs, nose, eyes, ears, etc.) that they use to interact with the world around them (ground, tree, grass, sounds, etc.). And each one of those things has physical structures that compose senses (nervous system, optic nerves, etc.). There are layers upon layers of intricate complexity that took eons to develop and a single photo cannot encapsulate that level of complexity and density of information. Even a 3D scan can't capture that level of information. There is an implicit understanding of the physical world that helps us make sense of images. For example, a dog with all four paws standing on grass is within the bounds of possibility; a dog with six paws, two of which are on it's head, are outside the bounds of possibility. An image generator doesn't understand that obvious delineation and just approximates likelihood.

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Post by nicbou »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The onus will be on the rest of society to defend itself from all the grift that will result from this.

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Post by toasteros »

minimaxir wrote: post #137
null_investor wrote: post #125

I hope somebody pays 100.000 pro subscriptions and uses AI to request Sora to generate videos 24/7. Maybe Elon? Even if they use queues, I'm sure they are running at a loss and the GPU time is going to cost 100x more than what they charge. Creating false demand for AI can easily bankrupt their business, as they will believe people actually want to use that crap for that purpose.

Deliberately wasting electricity isn't exactly a moral win.

Generative AI is a waste of electricity by definition.

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Post by miohtama »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Users, not tools, should be judged.

It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

whatevertrevor wrote: post #398
TeMPOraL wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does indeed, but then many of those people don't notice they're already consuming half-decent, personality-less slop, because that's what human artists make too, when churning out commercial art for peanuts and on tight deadlines. It's less obvious because people project personality onto the content they see, because they implicitly assume the artist cared , and had some vision in mind. Cheap shit doesn't look lik…

I'm not so sure, one of the primary complaints about IP farming slop that major studios have produced recently is a lack of firm creative vision, and clear evidence of design by committee over artist direction. People can generally see the lack of artistic intent when consuming entertainment.

That's true. Then again, complaints about "lack of firm creative vision, and clear evidence of design by committee over artist direction" is something I've seen levied against Disney for several years now; importantly, they started before generative AI found its way into major productions.

So, while GenAI tools make it easier to create superficially decent work that lacks creative intent, the studios managed to do it just fine with human intelligence only, suggesting the problem isn't AI, but the studios and their modern management policies.

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Post by booleandilemma »

starshadowx2 wrote: post #309
lelandfe wrote: post #285

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

The face of the girl on the left at the start in the first second should have been a giveaway.

No one is looking at her face though, they're looking at the giant hello kitty train. And you were only looking at her face because you were told it's an AI-generated video. I agree with superfrank that extreme skepticism of everything seen online is going to have to be the default, unfortunately.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #401

“The version of Sora we are deploying has many limitations. It often generates unrealistic physics and struggles with complex actions over long durations. Although Sora Turbo is much faster than the February preview, we’re still working to make the technology affordable for everyone.” So they demo the full model and release the quantised and censored model. Does anyone else find this kind of bait & switch distasteful…

Maybe, but alternative would be to not demo results with state of the art processing at all, which I wouldn't like either.
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