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Post by kevingadd »

hipadev23 wrote: post #76
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

Real artists struggle matching vague descriptions of what is in your head too. This is at least quicker?

I work with professional artists all the time and this is not the case. They're generally quite good at extrapolating from a couple paragraphs into something fantastic, often exactly what I had in mind.

In comparison I've messed around with prompting image generator models quite a bit and it's not possible to get remotely close to the quality level of even rough paid concept work by a professional, and the credits to run these models aren't particularly cheap.

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #505

Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the wav…

> primarily to trick Facebook users

You say it like that's not the majority of the web.

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Post by belfalas »

makeitdouble wrote: post #626
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Is this a "guns don't kill" argument ? Microsoft Word and Excel aren't generative tools. If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited, you bet there would be backlash. And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. On the general point, our society values intent. Tools can…

> And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored.

I went to high school in a fairly affluent area and I promise you this is not true. If you have money and know how to talk to your doctor, you can get whatever you want. No questions asked.

You can even get prescription methamphetamine - and Walgreens will stock generic for it!

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Post by echelon »

jsheard wrote: post #429
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Flashbacks to when they were cagey about releasing the GPT models because they could so easily be used for spam, and then just pretended not to see all the spam their model was making when they did release it. If you happen to notice a Twitter spam bot claiming to be "an AI language model created by OpenAI", know that we have conducted an investigation and concluded that no you didn't. Mission accomplished!

> not to see all the spam their model was making when they did release it.

All replaced by open source LLMs at this point.

Most AI video will be produced by Hunyuan [1], LTX [2], and Mochi [3] in short order. These are the Flux / Stable Diffusion models for generative video. These can all be fine tuned to produce incredible results, and work with the Comfy ecosystem for wildly creative and controllable workflows.

I don't think it'll be possible for a closed source tool to compete with the open image/video ecosystem. Dall-E certainly didn't stay competitive for long. It's a totally different game.

[1] https://github.com/Tencent/HunyuanVideo

[2] https://huggingface.co/Lightricks/LTX-Video

[3] https://github.com/genmoai/mochi

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Post by Uehreka »

miohtama wrote: post #437
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

> Users, not tools, should be judged.

You can argue that that’s how it should be, but that isn’t how it is. And we don’t know what a world that adhered to that principle would look like, it’s possible it would be a disaster. There are a lot of bad things people can do where it’s difficult to catch someone after they’ve done it, and prevention at the tool level is the only way to really effectively stop people.

I’m not saying I like the idea of any of these methods when it comes to AI, but it feels naive to act like there isn’t precedent for stuff like this.

> It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

Citation needed bigtime. Sure, people doing organized disinformation campaigns won’t log into OpenAI’s website and use Sora, they’ll probably be running Hunyuan Video with an on-prem or cloud-based GPU cluster, but this feels like as good a time as any to discuss the implications of video generation tools as they stand in December 2024.

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Post by dagmx »

dmazzoni wrote: post #622
dagmx wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people have terrible eyes for distinguishing content. I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious. It’s the same for GenAI, though I think there are more tells. Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it.

> I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious. I've noticed people assume things are CG that turn out to be practical effects, or 90% practical with just a bit of CG to add detail.

Yep I’ve had that happen many times , where people assume my work is real and the practical is CG.

Worse, directors often lie about what’s practical and we’ll have replaced it with CG. So people online will cheer the “practicals” as being better visually, while not knowing what they’re even looking at.

I’ve seen interviews with actors even where they talk about how they look in a given shot or have done something, and not realize they’re not even really in the shot anymore.

People just have terrible eyes once you can convince them something is a certain way.

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Post by oblio »

mattmaroon wrote: post #589
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

> Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns

This is strictly limited to the US. In most advanced democracies you need a stack of papers to get even a small handgun.

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Post by freedomben »

belfalas wrote: post #633
makeitdouble wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a "guns don't kill" argument ? Microsoft Word and Excel aren't generative tools. If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited, you bet there would be backlash. And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. On the general point, our society values intent. Tools can…

> And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. I went to high school in a fairly affluent area and I promise you this is not true. If you have money and know how to talk to your doctor, you can get whatever you want. No questions asked. You can even get prescription methamphetamine - and Walgreens will stock generic for it!

Definitely not if you're a white male under 60 years old. They won't even give you opioids after surgery now because you are "high risk" .

If you're really rich it may be a different story, but any of the "middle class" good luck. And if you do find a doctor with some compassion, they are probably about to retire.

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Post by oblio »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #629
mattmaroon wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

> but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. ?? You 100% can in the USA it just costs a lot of money.

Operational military ones? Tanks that are basically very dense semis don't really count for this point.
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