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Post by thrwthsnw »

mattmaroon wrote: post #589
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

There are private citizens that own and operate all of those things.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by dmazzoni »

dagmx wrote: post #297
lelandfe wrote: post #285

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

Most people have terrible eyes for distinguishing content. I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious. It’s the same for GenAI, though I think there are more tells. Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it.

> I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious.

I've noticed people assume things are CG that turn out to be practical effects, or 90% practical with just a bit of CG to add detail.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by r00f »

observationist wrote: post #461
miohtama wrote: post #437

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Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Well, humans do understand such thing as scale.

C4 and nuke are both just explosives, and there are laws in place that prohibit exploding them in the middle of the city. But the laws that regulate storage and access to the nukes and to C4 are different, and there is a very strong reason for that.

Censorship is bad, everyone agrees on that. But regulating access to technology that has already proven that it can trick people into sending millions to fraudsters is a must, IMO. And it'd better be regulated before in overthrows some governments, not after.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by ImaCake »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

I mean the only real tell for me is how expensive this stunt would be. I personally think this is a really cool use of genAI. But the consequences will be far reaching.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by cma »

JPKab wrote: post #610
cma wrote: post #568

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With a heavy dose of "if masses of people are fooled by this, it can't affect me as long as I can see through it. No possible repercussions of mass people believing completely made up stuff that could affect laws, etc."

This entire thread reeks of "I'm smart enough to know that videos can be faked, but Jethro in the trailer park isn't because he's just a plumber, and therefore this tech needs to be censored or else Jethro might believe stuff that makes him vote in a way I don't like" going on here. While the average person overestimates their own intelligence, the average techy dramatically underestimates the intelligence of the ave…

That radio station in hotel Rawanda could be a bad thing for you and people you cared about even if you personally could discern the lies so it wasn't fooling you.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by makeitdouble »

observationist wrote: post #461
miohtama wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Is this a "guns don't kill" argument ?

Microsoft Word and Excel aren't generative tools. If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited, you bet there would be backlash.

And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored.

On the general point, our society values intent. Tools can just be tools when their primary purpose is in line with our values and they only behave according to the user's intent. AI will have to prove a lot to match both criteria.

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Post by lukevp »

soheil wrote: post #556
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Specially since they were originally supposed to be a non-profit focused on AI safety and Sam Altman single-handedly pivoting to a for-profit after taking all the donations and partnering with probably the single most evil corporation that has ever existed, Microsoft.

Microsoft is more evil than Enron? Than the company that faked blood tests? This is some pretty extreme hyperbole. I’d pick Google over Microsoft for one.

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Post by staunton »

thrwthsnw wrote: post #621
mattmaroon wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

There are private citizens that own and operate all of those things.

Pray, what private citizens operate ICBMs?

Re: Sora is here

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

mattmaroon wrote: post #589
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

> but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM.

?? You 100% can in the USA it just costs a lot of money.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by kevingadd »

jstummbillig wrote: post #450
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Do we not want new stuff? If the answer is "Sure, but only if whoever invents the stuff does all the work and finds all rough edges" then the answer is actually just "No, thanks".

It's a little disingenuous to jump to "we don't want new stuff" when people voice criticism of deepfake generators or AI models trained on stolen content
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