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Ah, yes. We definitely needed another bad dreams generator.

Interesting creative people will produce interesting creative output. People with no taste will produce tasteless content. The mountain of slop will grow. And some of us have no intention of publishing any output whatsoever but just find the existence of these tools fascinating and inspiring.

And some of us have no intention of publishing any output and find the existence of these tools extremely worrying and problematic.

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I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

Still three or four order of magnitudes cheaper and easier than to produce said video through traditional methods.

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post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

AI isn't trying to sell to you: a precise artist with real vision in your brain. It is selling to managers who want to shit out something in an evening that approximates anything, that writes ads that no one wants to see anyway, that produces surface level examples of how you can pay employees less because "their job is so easy"

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#155

OpenAI is a masterclass in pissing off paying customers. I'm just about ready to cancel my ChatGPT subscription and move fully over to Claude because OpenAI has spit in my face one too many times. I'm tired of announcements of things being available only to find out "No, they aren't" or "It's rolling out slowly" where "slowly" can mean days, weeks, or month (no exaggeration). I'm tired of shit like this: Sign ups are…

I really don't think it's reasonable to expect them to onboard what is likely tens of thousands of sign ups in the first hour.

ChatGPT has far, far more concurrent users than tens of thousands. Sora is not a small hobby project by an amateur hacker that blew up.

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#156

Wow this is bad. And by bad i mean worse than leading open source and existing alternatives. Is it me or does it seem like OpenAI revolutionized with both chatGPT and Sora, but they've completely hit the ceiling? Honestly a bit surprised it happened so fast!

What are the leading alternatives? (Open source or otherwise)

Minimax (from China) and Kling 1.5 from China. Recently Tencent launched its own.

You can see more model samples heee https://youtu.be/bCAV_9O1ioc

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#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real artists struggle matching vague descriptions of what is in your head too. This is at least quicker?

The point is if you are the artist and have something in your head. It’s the same problem with image editing. I am sure you have experienced this.

There is no problem unless you insist on reflecting what you had in mind exactly. That needs minute controls, but no matter the medium and tools you use, unless you're doing it in your own quest for artistic perfection, the economic constraints will make you stop short of your idea - there's always a point past which any further refinement will not make a difference to the audience (which doesn't have access to the thing in your head to use as reference), and the costs of continuing will exceed any value (monetary or otherwise) you expect to get from the work.

AI or not, no one but you cares about the lower order bits of your idea.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me even if I know what I want, if I’m using gen AI I’m happy to compromise and get good enough (which again, is so much better than I could do otherwise). If you want higher quality/precision, you’ll likely want to ask a professional, and I don’t expect that to change in the near future.

That limits its value for industries like Hollywood, though, doesn't it? And without that, who exactly is going to pay for this?

Advertisers, I guess. Same folks who paid for everything else around here

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post #124
post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

It just plain isn't possible if you mean a prompt the size of what most people have been using lately, in the couple hundred character range. By sheer information theory, the number of possible interpretations of "a zoom in on a happy dog catching a frisbee" means that you can not match a particular clip out of the set with just that much text. You will need vastly more content; information about the breed, informati…

something like a white paper with a mood board, color scheme, and concept art as the input might work. This could be sent into an LLM "expander" that increases the words and speficity. Then multiple reviews to tap things in the right direction.

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me even if I know what I want, if I’m using gen AI I’m happy to compromise and get good enough (which again, is so much better than I could do otherwise). If you want higher quality/precision, you’ll likely want to ask a professional, and I don’t expect that to change in the near future.

That limits its value for industries like Hollywood, though, doesn't it? And without that, who exactly is going to pay for this?

To me, currently, visual generative ai is an evolution and improvement of stock images, and has effectively the same purpose.

People pay for stock images.

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