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Re: Sora is here

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Post by joshstrange »

OpenAI is a masterclass in pissing off paying customers.

I'm just about ready to cancel my ChatGPT subscription and move fully over to Claude because OpenAI has spit in my face one too many times.

I'm tired of announcements of things being available only to find out "No, they aren't" or "It's rolling out slowly" where "slowly" can mean days, weeks, or month (no exaggeration).

I'm tired of shit like this:

    Sign ups are temporarily unavailable
    We’re currently experiencing heavy traffic and have temporarily disabled sign ups. We’re working to 
    get them back up shortly so check back soon.
Sign up? I'm already signed up, I've had a paid account for a year now or so.

> We’re releasing it today as a standalone product at Sora.com to ChatGPT Plus and Pro users.

No you aren't, you might be rolling it out (see above for what that means) but it's not released, I'm a ChatGPT Plus user and I can't use it.

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Post by rideontime »

colesantiago wrote: post #66

Hollywood's days are numbered. If you are a creative in this industry, start preparing to transition to another industry or adapt. Your boss is highly likely to be toying around with this. The first entirely AI generated film (with Sora or other AI video tools) to win an Oscar will be less than 5 years away.

The day that 90 minutes of 3-second dolly shots wins an Oscar is the day cinema dies.

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Post by jerf »

yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

It just plain isn't possible if you mean a prompt the size of what most people have been using lately, in the couple hundred character range. By sheer information theory, the number of possible interpretations of "a zoom in on a happy dog catching a frisbee" means that you can not match a particular clip out of the set with just that much text. You will need vastly more content; information about the breed, information about the frisbee, information about the background, information about timing, information about framing, information about lighting, and so on and so forth. Right now the AIs can't do that, which is to say, even if you sit there and type a prompt containing all that information, it is going to be forced to ignore most of the result. Under the hood, with the way the text is turned into vector embeddings, it's fairly questionable whether you'd agree that it can even represent such a thing.

This isn't a matter of human-level AI or superhuman-level AI; it's just straight up impossible. If you want the information to match, it has to be provided. If it isn't there, an AI can fill in the gaps with "something" that will make the scene work, but expecting it to fill in the gaps the way you "want" even though you gave it no indication of what that is is expecting literal magic.

Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Some sort of long-form "write me a horror movie staring a precocious 22-year old elf in a far-future Ganymede colony with a message about the importance of friendship" AI that generates a coherent movie of many scenes will have to be doing a lot of some sort of internal communication in an internal language to hold the result together between scenes, because what it takes to hold stuff coherent between scenes is an amount of English text not entirely dissimilar in size from the underlying representation itself. You might as well skip the English middleman and go straight to an embedding not constrained by a human language mapping.

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Post by null_investor »

I hope somebody pays 100.000 pro subscriptions and uses AI to request Sora to generate videos 24/7. Maybe Elon?

Even if they use queues, I'm sure they are running at a loss and the GPU time is going to cost 100x more than what they charge.

Creating false demand for AI can easily bankrupt their business, as they will believe people actually want to use that crap for that purpose.

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Post by torginus »

yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

Yeah, it almost feels like gambling - 'you're very close, just spend 20 more credits and you might get it right this time!'

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Post by TeMPOraL »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work.

In other words, a corollary to your corollary is, "Fortunately, you don't need them to be, because no one cares about low-order bits".

Or, as we say in Poland, "What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't mourn."

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Post by rsynnott »

colesantiago wrote: post #66

Hollywood's days are numbered. If you are a creative in this industry, start preparing to transition to another industry or adapt. Your boss is highly likely to be toying around with this. The first entirely AI generated film (with Sora or other AI video tools) to win an Oscar will be less than 5 years away.

... Have you _seen_ the output from these things? I'm not sure actors need to panic just yet.

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Post by throwup238 »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

“A frame is worth a billion rays”

The last production I worked on averaged 16 hours per frame for the final rendering. The amount of information encoded in lighting, models, texture, maps, etc is insane.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by [deleted] »

neom wrote: post #77

In July I made this 3 minute little content marketing video for Canada Day. Took me about 40 minutes using a combo of midjourney + pika, suno for the music. Honestly I had a lot of fun making it, I can see these tools with be fun for creative teams to hammer out little things for social media and stuff: https://x.com/ascent_hi/status/1807871799302279372 I don't see sora being THAT much better than pika now that I'm t…

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