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Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by yetanother-1 »

20kleagues wrote: post #111

I would love to hear what the Syrian hacker news community has to say about this. I’m reading so many comments here but not sure how many are from actual Syrians who probably have a deeper understanding and hope/fears about what comes next.

Syrian here, born, raised, and finished my studies in Syrian.

Been to many countries like UAE, Saudi, and finally Germany.

I can tell that the joy is immense. Most druze and alawite are not too happy and fearing, mainly because of the feare built into them throughtout the war years.

Incertanitiy is very big, but the joy of seeing a north-korean-like system collapse in few days is unimaginable.

I have seen too many nk documentaries, I can say that it applies 100% to Syria, with many many more complexities in the region.

AMA

Happy to give proof to mods.

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Post by ssijak »

j_maffe wrote: post #108
ssijak wrote: post #93

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Yes, it must be much better now after all the devastation. Same with Lybia, much better place now, no?

Why do you insist that it will go the way of Libya? The rebels are calling for a peaceful and democratic transition of the government and the protection of all minorities. They've stopped using Islamist rhetoric for almost 10 years. This is as good of a regime change in Syria as it gets.

I don't know what the future will bring, I said it in retrospect of the last 15 years.

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Post by tim333 »

sincerecook wrote: post #434
tim333 wrote: post #424

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OED has it https://www.oed.com/dictionary/ongoingly_adv?tl=true

Have you ever in your life heard someone say the word ongoingly?

No but I'm in favour of word inventability and extensionabilityization.

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Post by cm2187 »

cnlevy wrote: post #456
cm2187 wrote: post #224

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Not to go straight to the godwin's point but that's a "Hitler didn't hurt puppies" argument. This guy is former Al Quaeda and clearly a jihadist.

I see his experience as governor of Idlib matching his moderate rhetoric. He has clearly evolved his views from his younger years of international jihadist towards syrian nationalism, including tolerance of minorities that make part of the syrian people, and economic development (christmas trees and free mass, or a more reliable electricity supply than Damascus for example)

Well, let's hope you are right

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Post by ssijak »

Apocryphon wrote: post #428
blub wrote: post #140

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There is no counter-example of thriving democracies developed after western regime change projects. On the other hand, there’s Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

Tunisia

It is not a democracy https://time.com/7020023/tunisia-kais-saied-democracy/

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Post by southernplaces7 »

adamsb6 wrote: post #195
throwup238 wrote: post #21

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Assad wasn’t really a stabilizing force holding back worse players, he was a desperate despot just barely holding on to power thanks to a proxy war. Now the rest of the parties have a real chance to establishing a governing coalition. Syria has always been relatively secular and the rhetoric coming from the rebel side is in marked contrast to the usual pattern in the region. The most extremist group involved HTS has…

Saddam Hussein was a brutal despot who also kept his own country’s factions from waging war on one another. It didn’t turn out well when we took him off the board.

>It didn’t turn out well when we took him off the board.

No? The post-invasion process turned into a simmering insurgency followed by a loose civil war, but since then and so far, Iraq has stabilized into a more or less functional state in which investment is growing and living standards are again moving upwards. I don't see how the automatic response of "it didn't turn out well" applies. The shaky morality of a historical decision (invasion and toppling Saddam in this case) doesn't necessarily translate to a bad outcome in the long run.

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Post by sabbaticaldev »

scott_w wrote: post #496
sabbaticaldev wrote: post #493

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what were the options given? Boris Johnson didn’t allow ukraine to negotiate with russia but at the time everybody thought it would be a walk in the park for NATO

Boris Johnson is not the President of Ukraine. He has no power to force or prevent a negotiation with Russia. Just in case you're confused, here's a link describing who the current President of Ukraine is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ukraine

that’s why you guys lose elections and scream “russia stole it!”

completely out of touch of reality like a reality distortion field. screaming it louder won’t make you right.

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Post by Eumenes »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #470
Eumenes wrote: post #404

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What trusted sources do you have on middle eastern conflicts? The Council on Foreign Relations, The Atlantic Council? Foreign Affairs magazine? These institutions are stocked with neocon stooges whose advice have only invaded half the middle east (always under false pretenses), killed countless innocence, displaced millions, brought "democracy", etc. Scott Horton and antiwar.com have been pumping out real journalism…

My friend, you posted a tweet-rant from a random conspiracy theorist. I think the better question, then, is: What reliable sources do you have? Because this is not one.

How about Seymour Hersh? https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n24/seymour-m.-hersh/who...
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