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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by nafey »

dastbe wrote: post #514
fastball wrote: post #505

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Completely backwards. A server that is being paid for but not utilized is the best-case scenario for a hosting provider – revenue the same, lower costs (electrical/cooling/etc).

in mba brain, but hosting providers want as much utilization because it means people are going to use more over time.

They want more users, not more utilization. Utilization is the effect of users not its cause. They are happy to have utilization increase as long as they keep getting more users. If the utilization increases while number of users remain constant because people (like OP) are using CPU intensive programs then that is not in their interest.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by ryukoposting »

dboreham wrote: post #468
viraptor wrote: post #314

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Any decommissioned office PC from eBay will be faster than $5 linode. For example search for optiflex https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=optiplex+pc&_udhi=30 They're not too power hungry either if you make sure not to go for i7s

But it'll cost $100+/yr in electricity.

...no? My NUC draws about 18 watts under load, which is about $24 per year at typical American energy rates. It cost me 30 bucks. So, it's paid for itself after about 10 months (5n = 2n + 30), and it's way faster than a $5 VPS.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by recursivegirth »

Hetzner has never really competed well in the US market and I often find Lightsail, OVH, and Digital Ocean cover my hosting needs pretty well.

For what it is worth, I have also have used 2nd-hand resellers like SoYouStart (OVH). You get what you pay for, but ballin on a budget is totally possible.

Back in the day I used 1&1, I wonder how they are faring these days. I am sure there are dozens of other viable providers, you just need to shop around.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by kccqzy »

crazygringo wrote: post #249
Symbiote wrote: post #236

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It's perfectly acceptable British English. 21 occurrences of "tariff" on one of British Gas' pages: https://www.britishgas.co.uk/energy/guides/off-peak-electric... ("Your energy provider may offer time of use tariffs and cheaper night-time electricity rates.")

Good to know, so it's an American vs. British thing. Thanks! Is there any further distinction between a "tariff" and a "rate" in British English? The example sentence you provide uses both, which makes me wonder if there's even more to the picture here.

It's not really that. On PG&E's website it also uses the word tariff to refer to prices for electricity and gas. https://www.pge.com/tariffs/en.html

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by rsanek »

viraptor wrote: post #519
dboreham wrote: post #468

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But it'll cost $100+/yr in electricity.

There are optiplex models running at 14W or less when idle. In my area that's ~$20 per year. (It close to half of that in practice with solar)

Based on your ebay link, the cheapest PCs are around $50 shipped. Including the electricity, that's $70/year. So you'd need more than a year to have this approach pay off, and additionally you will have saddled yourself with managing a physical machine rather than have someone else abstract it for you.

Doesn't seem to pass the "it'll pay for itself in a couple months" claim.

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Post by StressedDev »

not_your_vase wrote: post #6

Ahh, yes, the good old "here, you purchased X amount of things for $Z. But don't dare to use everything you paid for, or we double the price"

I think you are probably misreading the situation. My guess is that their costs went up and they are now increasing their prices so they don't lose money.

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Post by cameronh90 »

lxgr wrote: post #457
cameronh90 wrote: post #445

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It's not a false friend, it is the same word. Not only do they share an etymology (the word "tariff" in English and "tarif" in German both come from the same Arabic word), they also mean the exact same thing. It's also used in a bunch of other European languages in essentially the same way, with either a similar or identical spelling. It's only US English where some of the meanings that are still common elsewhere are…

Having the same etymology and even having the exact same spelling in two languages does not disqualify a word from being a false friend at all! Take "gift", for example: "Gift" means "poison" in German, despite both the English and German word deriving from the same Proto-Germanic root, meaning "to give". > (the word "tariff" in English and "tarif" in German both come from the same Arabic word), they also mean the ex…

I said same etymology AND same meaning. They are the same word, not false friends.

US English may have dropped that meaning, but British English still uses it in this way, as do many Europeans when they speak English. It’s a correct translation.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by viraptor »

rsanek wrote: post #525
viraptor wrote: post #519

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There are optiplex models running at 14W or less when idle. In my area that's ~$20 per year. (It close to half of that in practice with solar)

Based on your ebay link, the cheapest PCs are around $50 shipped. Including the electricity, that's $70/year. So you'd need more than a year to have this approach pay off, and additionally you will have saddled yourself with managing a physical machine rather than have someone else abstract it for you. Doesn't seem to pass the "it'll pay for itself in a couple months" claim.

That link sets the max price to $30. (I see a few at $18) I'm not sure how you found a $50 item there. Ignore shipping if you're adding that in, there's lots of local ones you can find on Facebook market and similar sites.

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Post by BonoboIO »

fastily wrote: post #392
themgt wrote: post #322

As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.

I use OVH (VPS’s specifically), which offers unlimited bandwidth. In my experience they’ve been both reliable and affordable which is a rarity. I run a few applications that require high amounts of bandwidth, so silly caps like the ones that Hetzner are imposing are a non-starter for me

As long as their their wood floor datacenter and your backup in the same location does not burn down

„… data center had wooden ceilings, no extinguisher, and no power cut-out“

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-rep...

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Post by gamblor956 »

kadoban wrote: post #448
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #439

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Wait what? Did they actually raise the hotdog price? I never buy the hotdog but a price raise is indicative of bad times to come.

Costco hotdogs have been underpriced for decades. It's an intentional choice, a loss leader. It raising would be mostly meaningless. But no, last I looked a week ago or so it was still the same price.

It's not a loss leader. They still make a profit on the combo because the ingredients are cheap and it takes almost no labor to prepare on a per-dog basis.

And 1.50 is cheap now but was relatively expensive when the combo launched in 1985 (for comparison, a Big Mac combo with fries and a drink was 2.59, a KFC combo was around $3).

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