C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

Post by gatorized » Thu, Nov 28, 2024, 7:29 PM UTC

jart wrote: post #79

wakawaka28 wrote: post #78

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Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully. >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with d…

Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the inte…

Post by gatorized » Thu, Nov 28, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #45

thom wrote: post #31

This appears to be the source of the backlash: https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/

To save anyone else the time: > Andrew Tomazos submitted P3403, a paper titled “The Undefined Behavior Question” (which HOOBOY man we’re just knocking it out of the fucking park with possible anti-semitic dog whistles today aren’t we?) Riiiight. To be fair apart from that their criticism of Tomasoz seems relatively justifiable, if unnecessarily angry. Tomasoz has said that "almost noone" has ever written anything pro…

Post by gatorized » Thu, Nov 28, 2024, 8:07 PM UTC

voxgen wrote: post #28

_zagj wrote: post #15

While the title could indeed be a reference to the 4chan "The xxx question" meme (e.g., "The femboy question"), which is derived from "The Jewish question," it's not clear if that was the author's actual intention, and even if it was, most uses of the meme (see the femboy example) are not facially antisemitic and at worst are just examples of edgelord humor. It looks like C++ is finally succumbing to entryism, meanin…

> it's not clear if that was the author's actual intention The paper[1] doesn't appear to have any other connections to the book/response/memes. A clear distinction is that the UB paper very directly and prominently states the question, rather than cloaking it in allusion or having a lengthy preface trying to contextualize it. [1] https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2024/p34...

Post by gatorized » Thu, Nov 28, 2024, 8:09 PM UTC

foonathan wrote: post #34

bun_terminator wrote: post #8

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> Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. I'd love to, but reddit and cpp keep banning/suspending accounts - so I can't! Funny how that works isn't it? > Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your profile. I banned you for insulting someone. That is not true. Here is the message: > Hello, You have been permanently banned from participating…

> That is not true. I banned you, so I like to think I'm an authority on why you were banned. Here's a step by step timeline of what happened. 1. This comment of yours received a high number of reports and was automatically filtered: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/comment/lyp3jl... 2. I agreed with the reports and removed your comments. 3. I read the rest of the comments in your thread, and noticed you…

Post by gatorized » Thu, Nov 28, 2024, 8:11 PM UTC

seanhunter wrote: post #49

bun_terminator wrote: post #29

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I think it's important context that this huge issue is being silenced on the largest c++ community

Not sure this _is_ a huge issue. As someone who's not involved it just seems like standard issue interpersonal drama that happens on every committee, board etc and to every tech project from time to time. eg in linux, git exists because of the Larry McEvoy Bitkeeper drama, there was the Eric S Raymond kernel build config drama, there were numerous Reiserfs and devfs dramas, etc etc etc. In the gnu/fsf world we have h…