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C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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Absolutely unhinged rant accusing everyone of being some kind of Nazi or sexual predator. Seeing the "content warning" and design of the page should already be enough to know exactly what to expect about what you are about to read, and what kind of person wrote it.

Is making note of the fact that an individual was convicted of raping a child now the same as "accusing everyone of being some kind of Nazi or sexual predator"? Do you have some information that would lead to doubt on Arthur's conviction? Can you elaborate on what "sort of person" means exactly? Is that just to refer to people who point out that someone in a community has raped a child, been convicted of raping a chi…

Sex offender information is public so we can keep those people far away from children. There aren't any children on the C++ standards committee. You can actually be criminally prosecuted if you use someone's status to harass or injure them. So the organizers weren't really protecting him, they were protecting themselves.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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This seems insane. I think there must be part of the story we're not hearing. Not saying I'd agree with it even with the whole story, I don't know, but I am dubious of this being the full story, because in fact communities are not _that_ crazy.

this fact may not in fact be a fact

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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haha, keep getting weirder, tech industry, nothing can save you from the coming regulation, inquiries, arbitration and/or lawsuits and other forms of attack due in part to people becoming rapidly fatigued by this bs where everything is bad faith and nobody can speak freely anymore without being assumed the worst of.

this kind of shenanigans overall, the climate of this, has been pervasaive for a decade now, and it's gotten ridiculous. everybody defending this is coping, optics-wise anybody who hears about this in passing is going to think it's absurd/insane/stupid and won't look into it further. another own goal.

stuff like this, alongside all the unethical business practices of groups like google, is why the tech industry is gonna be targeted hard by conservatives in the political sphere.

you certainly don't do yourself any favors!

"t-there has to be more to it, there's no way they're this stupid" no, people don't care, surface impression will be: roll eyes "those fucking woke idiots are up to more idiot woke shit again"

dumbarse americans and americanised westerners overall, making a cult/religion out of everything, even "progressives" have become a cult, it's so offputting to anybody outside the sphere who's been alive long enough to know better.

this is all predicated on eye for an eye tier nonsense.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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What actually happened: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan...

You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan... The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ What we know is that he was asked to change the title after people complained, and he pushed back on that, k…

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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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> Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then Yes, it's interesting that someone opted to use an alternate account to discuss a contentious issue on a platform rife with censorship and deplatforming.

Why does it so often seem that the people complaining about censorship are the ones punching down? Why is it so often someone's right to complain and make problems for others but never concern about people's right to be tolerated when they're being decent humans? Either people need to be banned who insult others and use slurs and those who maliciously push right up against the rules, or they will bully people out. Lo…

This is the toxicity of the left writ large. Well done for illustrating it so well. You make my point for me. Thank you.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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This appears to be the source of the backlash: https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/

Wow - I cant think anyone would spend such a long time on how everyone but themselves is wrong.

It started out interesting, but was simply a long rambling text where there seems to be no point

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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post #68

What actually happened: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan...

You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan... The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ What we know is that he was asked to change the title after people complained, and he pushed back on that, k…

Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully.

>It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this.

So, these people are indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity. Got it.

>The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/

Not a word about the insanity expressed in that blog though, huh? Perhaps that is why the dude is being harassed over basic English words all of a sudden? It seems to me that this Andrew fellow is not the one starting drama, and he's refusing to be bullied by people who are dealing in rumors and inventing new thought crimes to charge him with. I wouldn't wish this level of censorship even on people who hate me.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan... The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ What we know is that he was asked to change the title after people complained, and he pushed back on that, k…

Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully. >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with d…

Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. When any group of people complains that's usually enough, although ideally it's better to know them all well enough to avoid this kind of thing in the first place.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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The last few times I've seen technical groups kick someone out over racism, including anti-semitism, they picked one point where the person kept doubling down after a very long history of borderline rule following behavior that was clearly malicious. I would be very surprised to see if this was different. While I agree in principle that we can't allow the word question to be destroyed by hate speech, there are always…

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