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C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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post #31

This appears to be the source of the backlash: https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/

Absolutely unhinged rant accusing everyone of being some kind of Nazi or sexual predator. Seeing the "content warning" and design of the page should already be enough to know exactly what to expect about what you are about to read, and what kind of person wrote it.

What kind of a person wrote it?

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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post #76
post #26

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Why does it so often seem that the people complaining about censorship are the ones punching down? Why is it so often someone's right to complain and make problems for others but never concern about people's right to be tolerated when they're being decent humans? Either people need to be banned who insult others and use slurs and those who maliciously push right up against the rules, or they will bully people out. Lo…

This is the toxicity of the left writ large. Well done for illustrating it so well. You make my point for me. Thank you.

Can you elaborate? I don't the toxicity in their comment.

EDIT: Just saw your "woke bullshit" comment. And you're the one talking about toxicity? Lol. Lmao, even.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#83
post #79

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Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully. >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with d…

Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the inte…

>An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously.

Perhaps, but perhaps there are times where the "extreme ends of the political spectrum" are actually muckrakers who use feigned offense as a tool for eliminating people they just don't like for petty reasons. People can be offended for any number of reasons but somehow certain arbitrary causes of offense are deemed worthy of action.

Political correctness is like a cheat code in the minds of certain people. I don't think the blogger who posted the complaint is actually offended. Although he may appear to be quite neurotic, he fits the profile of an agitator. Such people often claim things are offensive on behalf of demographics that they do not even belong to. This is speculation on my part of course, but I have seen this play out so many times that I'm sick of it.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#84
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the inte…

>An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. Perhaps, but perhaps there are times where the "extreme ends of the political spectrum" are actually muckrakers who use feigned offense as a tool for eliminating people they just don't like for petty reasons. People can be offended for any number of reasons but somehow certain arbitrar…

She's very much an agitator. However the C++ leaders aren't trying to avoid offending anyone. They're trying to do something even more difficult which is not making anyone feel uncomfortable. That paper's title makes people think about things they'd rather not think about instead of C++. Normal people would just read it, feel distracted, and then say nothing, which is unfortunate, since I'm sure Andrew would have much preferred to hear it from them instead of being publicly criticized by an activist.

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#86
post #76

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This is the toxicity of the left writ large. Well done for illustrating it so well. You make my point for me. Thank you.

Can you elaborate? I don't the toxicity in their comment. EDIT: Just saw your "woke bullshit" comment. And you're the one talking about toxicity? Lol. Lmao, even.

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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

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post #86

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Can you elaborate? I don't the toxicity in their comment. EDIT: Just saw your "woke bullshit" comment. And you're the one talking about toxicity? Lol. Lmao, even.

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Again, why would you say such things? Not only it's clearly against guidelines it's not even true. What prompted you to think I'm a communist?

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#88
post #26
post #11

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> Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then Yes, it's interesting that someone opted to use an alternate account to discuss a contentious issue on a platform rife with censorship and deplatforming.

Why does it so often seem that the people complaining about censorship are the ones punching down? Why is it so often someone's right to complain and make problems for others but never concern about people's right to be tolerated when they're being decent humans? Either people need to be banned who insult others and use slurs and those who maliciously push right up against the rules, or they will bully people out. Lo…

> Why does it so often seem that the people complaining about censorship are the ones punching down?

You mean, pushing down and saying people should be banned... like you? [Either people need to be banned who insult others and use slurs and those who maliciously push right up against the rules, or they will bully people out. Look at modern X/Twitter allowing hate speech has pushed out advertisers and something like half of the users?]

The fact is that you are just using the notion of 'paradox of tolerance' as a tool for defending your prefered kind of censorship, in the same mischievous way you say people use the notion of free speech "as a shield to hurt others". Is this or you are not being mischievious, so I think it would be polite to also admit the very probable possibility that those people claiming that their free speech is being violated may also have something to say on the topic, instead of just assuming they are being malicious and that they are "punching down" on others (or similar things).

Don't you think doing that would be more productive?

Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#89
post #19

The last few times I've seen technical groups kick someone out over racism, including anti-semitism, they picked one point where the person kept doubling down after a very long history of borderline rule following behavior that was clearly malicious. I would be very surprised to see if this was different. While I agree in principle that we can't allow the word question to be destroyed by hate speech, there are always…

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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'

#90
post #68

What actually happened: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan...

You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan... The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ What we know is that he was asked to change the title after people complained, and he pushed back on that, k…

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