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I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.
"recall" is a legal term, it means the vehicle is not road-legal and requires immediate action. Doesn't really matter if it hw, sw or maybe even the owners manual that needs to be changed ASAP.
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I'm not sure I agree. From the perspective of a customer, not being able to drive the car due to it being unsafe is the part that matters, not where and how the manufacturer has to fix it. If you're opposed to it based on the assumption that it wouldn't take as long, I agree that might be true, but by that logic we should be categorizing _all_ recalls based on length (regardless of whether it's a software update or o…
> not being able to drive the car I had plenty of recalls and it never happened even once that I could not drive the car before the recall.
The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?
Recalls come in two types, soft recalls that can be fixed by a software update, and hard recalls that cannot. Many people are still not used to regarding the former as recalls, as they associate the word not with the safety issue itself but the way it gets resolved. It would be nice for articles discussing recalls to point out what type it entails, both for being more immediately informative, and to get people used t…
As we can see raging HN discussion, being pedantic or not.
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I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.
"recall" is a legal term, it means the vehicle is not road-legal and requires immediate action. Doesn't really matter if it hw, sw or maybe even the owners manual that needs to be changed ASAP.
There’s also a “safety recall” system run by NHTSA, which is what most people think of by recall. Which then has a bunch of reporting requirements so people who aren’t taking their cars to the dealership still get notified.
The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?
>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…
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Every one I’ve seen has a wrap for this reason
Seems weird to buy an $80k car and then spend $6k on a paint job just to make it look decent...
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>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…
> but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. I'm quite surprised that that is allowed at all. Seems like an unnecessary risk.
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Isn't this just restating part of the previous point? "We use a silly word for OTA software updates: 'recalls'" "Recalls is the word we use" "Yes..."
The important part is the legal obligation to produce a safe product. If that doesn't happen there are legal consequences. The fact that software is involved changes exactly nothing. And honestly - the entire industry needs to get over the bizarre belief that software has a magical right to be less performant, less competent, less reliable, less robust, and more consumer hostile than hardware, just because it can be…
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If I have a flat tyre it's not a recall. Not everything about not being road-legal and requiring immediate action is a recall. That's a bad definition.
GP said "recall → not street legal"; you've replied to disagree with "recall ↔ not street legal".
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>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…
> but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. I'm quite surprised that that is allowed at all. Seems like an unnecessary risk.