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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by lupusreal »

aikinai wrote: post #195
jmb99 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recall is the industry-standard (and populace-understood) term for “this vehicle has a safety or reliability issue that must be resolved by the manufacturer.” It is all encompassing; anything from possibly loose lugnuts to faulty airbags to engine failures to yes, the reverse camera failing to appear. It doesn’t matter if the manufacturer ships an OTA update, shows up at your house with a loaner and a flatbed to take…

It might be industry-standard term, but it’s certainly not understood that way by layman, including car customers. To the public, “recall” will always carry the implication that the vehicle needs to go back to the manufacturer for a fix.

I don't think that's true. Most people are accustomed to there being many "recalls" for trifling matters which can be simply ignored until maybe the next time they bring the car into the shop. A typical conversation about recalls:

> "I changed your oil, and I also replaced one of your door seals because there was a recall for the rubber cracking in cold weather"

> "Oh, okay."

It doesn't colloquially imply that the manufacturer is going to come take your car due to some major issue.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by atwrk »

orwin wrote: post #210
jart wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Tesla. All the online services you depend on are run this way, and none of it's regulated. Governments don't know how to regulate software companies like Tesla. They know how to regulate people constructing homes, cooking food, and building bridges but most attempts at regulating software development have petered out. This is a good thing. Thanks to Tesla's modern approach to car manufacturing it is now…

People who have 100k to burn on a car are middle-class? What's the median yearly income in the US? 90k?

Even less, the median household income is 80k: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2024/demo/p60-28...

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by LeoPanthera »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #63

Does anyone know what the deal is with Cybertrucks coming in different colors all of a sudden? I thought they were only sold as bare steel? But now I see matte black cybertrucks regularly.

Tesla offered wraps for a while. They've recently discontinued the option for the Cybertruck, although it is still available as an option for other models.

Of course, anyone can still get a third party wrap.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by LeoPanthera »

renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

> Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it

Where do you live? In the bay area, I know a lot of Tesla owners, and 100% of them are absolutely sick of Elon's antics and are not considering another Tesla. (They also all are sick of the poor reliability and terrible service.)

Seriously. This is a virtually universal opinion in my experience, but, I wonder if it's different depending on the political alignment of your area. People may be starting to consider Teslas as political signaling.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by fabian2k »

71bw wrote: post #140
tene80i wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. It’s true that the smaller team has succeeded with uptime on the core service. It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time. It turns out skeleton crews can’t make things that are nice to use. Have you tried the X mac app lately? It’s just horrible. Broken mod…

>It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time. A vocal minority of leftists moving to Bluesky isn't a decline.

It's not just leftists. My Twitter feed had a large number of military experts in it since the start of the war against Ukraine. Almost all of them are posting on Bluesky now, and they're certainly not a leftwing group.

I think another interesting aspect is that Musk confirmed that tweets with links to external sources are penalized on Twitter. That would particularly hit the kind of people that make these platforms interesting to me because they also post longer content somewhere else.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by dagw »

orwin wrote: post #210
jart wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Tesla. All the online services you depend on are run this way, and none of it's regulated. Governments don't know how to regulate software companies like Tesla. They know how to regulate people constructing homes, cooking food, and building bridges but most attempts at regulating software development have petered out. This is a good thing. Thanks to Tesla's modern approach to car manufacturing it is now…

People who have 100k to burn on a car are middle-class? What's the median yearly income in the US? 90k?

You can apparently lease a Cybertruck starting at $1000/month. That is definitely within range for someone on a 90k income, even if it is isn't the most financially smart thing you can do.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by nobody9999 »

jmb99 wrote: post #123
Aeolun wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.

Recall is the industry-standard (and populace-understood) term for “this vehicle has a safety or reliability issue that must be resolved by the manufacturer.” It is all encompassing; anything from possibly loose lugnuts to faulty airbags to engine failures to yes, the reverse camera failing to appear. It doesn’t matter if the manufacturer ships an OTA update, shows up at your house with a loaner and a flatbed to take…

>Recall is the industry-standard (and populace-understood) term for “this vehicle has a safety or reliability issue that must be resolved by the manufacturer.”

Exactly. But not just for vehicles or other durable goods. We see recalls of all sorts of food products[0] pretty regularly, and no one has to bring their carrots or ground beef back to the store/manufacturer to "remediate" the issue. Rather, you just throw it away.

And such activities are unfailingly called recalls.

[0] https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety...

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

0xEF wrote: post #202
johnp314 wrote: post #182

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Well, the OED definition of 'recall' is "official order to return to a place" and a software update or fix requires no return to the place of purchase. I wonder how may legally defined 'recalls' Microsoft Windows has experienced with each new version.

I think the gist is "recall" is the same saying "safety issue that needs to be fixed in the software or hardware" since we don't have a word for software issues, which carry a bit more weight on a fly-by-wire vehicle like the Cybertruck. Interesting to note that this thread seems to be full of a lot of people choosing to be pedantic over the word "recall" rather than taking a critical look at the Cybertruck and it's…

People are pedantic over this because they have a strong association from their past with this term and now it is being used unexpectedly. No matter how bad Tesla's issue might be, then maybe a different wording has to be used to highlight the issue. As right now it seems as if when the term is used it is almost intentionally made to seem as if the vehicle has to be physically transported back which would be a logistical and financial disaster. Sure, safety issues can be bad, but it is entirely different level of feasibility of physically recalling back all those vehicles. Why are people pretending it is not?

The whole issue is a spectrum of consequences. Right now it seems that the term used confusingly is always justified because the issue is binarily bad in the first place.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by GJim »

alxlaz wrote: post #219
damon_c wrote: post #106

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The word recall sort of implies that the vehicle is recalled to the manufacturer. Calling a software update that happens in your garage at night and takes 20 minutes a “recall” definitely is worthy of quotes.

> The word recall sort of implies that the vehicle is recalled to the manufacturer. It does not, no more than gaslighting implies lighting a gas lamp or the phrase crossing the Rubicon implies actually crossing a river in Italy, in any case. It hasn't meant anything of that sort since the mid-sixties. Recall is what legislation requires you to call it if something is unsafe for public use and it has to be withdrawn f…

Once again, an intelligent post such as yours has been lazily downvoted simply because somebody doesn't agree with it, and they can't be arsed composing a coherent rebuttable. This leads to unpopular ideas being buried, groupthink and a lack of intelligent discourse.....

....And yes, this IS leading to this place becoming more and more Reddit like (no, that isn't a tired cliché, no matter what the FAQs claim).

Downvoting needs to be reserved for comments that detract from the conversation. At this rate, we will need some form of meta moderation to ensure this happens.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by piyuv »

tremarley wrote: post #223
austin-cheney wrote: post #218

Why are people spending so much money for something so hideous and so defective? Is this a weird fashion thing? My old 2017 Kia Soul costs about 5x less and has had 0 defects.

To you it may be hideous but to many, it’s one of the most attractive cars on the road

Depends on a definition of “many”. Trump is regarded as a great leader by “many”. I guess the sets have a big intersection?
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