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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Yes exactly. This was the brilliance of the original MSFT investment into OpenAI. It was an investment in Azure scaling its AI training infra, but roundabout through a massive customer (exactly what you’d want as a design partner) and getting equity. I’m sure Anthropic negotiated a great deal on their largest cost center, while Amazon gets a huge customer to build out their system with.

And Amazon can always build their own LLM product down the line. Building out data centers feels like a far more difficult problem.

> Building out data centers feels like a far more difficult problem.

Is it really? I'm thinking it might be more time-and-money-involved than building a "LLM product" (guess you really meant models?), but in terms of experience, we (humanity) have decades of experience building data centers, while a few years (at most) experience regarding anything LLM.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Nope they have supported AWS deployments for a long time, and now even more of the spend will be on AWS. > Anthropic has raised an additional $4 billion from Amazon, and has agreed to train its flagship generative AI models primarily on Amazon Web Services (AWS), Amazon’s cloud computing division.

Yes, they are currently on GCP. What you wrote said they will train their flagship generative AI model primarily on AWS.

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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Yes exactly. This was the brilliance of the original MSFT investment into OpenAI. It was an investment in Azure scaling its AI training infra, but roundabout through a massive customer (exactly what you’d want as a design partner) and getting equity. I’m sure Anthropic negotiated a great deal on their largest cost center, while Amazon gets a huge customer to build out their system with.

And Amazon can always build their own LLM product down the line. Building out data centers feels like a far more difficult problem.

I'd say building datacenters is a commodity these days. There's countless actors in this field who are thriving.

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And Amazon can always build their own LLM product down the line. Building out data centers feels like a far more difficult problem.

I'd say building datacenters is a commodity these days. There's countless actors in this field who are thriving.

Absolutely, you can even buy a pre built datacenter from companies like Huawei or Schneider and get it shipped, plug power and network and be online.

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I just start new chats whenever the chat gets long (in terms of number of tokens). It's kind of a pain to have to form a prompt that encapsulates enough context, but it has prevented me from hitting the Pro limit. Also, I include more questions and detail in each prompt. Why does that work? Claude includes the entire chat with each new prompt you submit [0], and the limit is based on the number of tokens you've submi…

> It's kind of a pain to have to form a prompt that encapsulates enough context, but it has prevented me from hitting the Pro limit. Also, I include more questions and detail in each prompt. i get it to provide a prompt to start the new chat. i sometimes wish there was a button for it bc it's such a big part of my workflow

also, do any data engineers know how context works on the backend? seems like you could get an llm to summarize a long context and that would shorten it? also seems like i don't know what i'm talking about.

could the manual ux that i've come up happen behind the scenes?

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They are also confident in the investment because they know that all the money is going to come right back to them in the short term (via AWS spending) whether or not Anthropic actually survives in the long term.

But anthropic is currently on GCP.

Wouldn't be hard to code it to easily swap between GCP and AWS ahead of time knowing things like this could happen

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Last I checked, AWS reserve pricing for one year of an 8x H100 pod costs more than just buying the pod yourself (with tens of thousands left over per server for the NVIDIA enterprise license and to hire people to manage them). On demand pricing is even worse. This is essentially money that they would have spent to build out their cloud anyway, except now they also get equity in Anthropic. Whether or not Anthropic sur…

Yes and it’s also interesting that they mention using Trainium to do the training. I don’t know how much spend that is, but it seems really interesting. Like, if you’re AWS, and you imagine competing in the long run with NVIDIA for AI chips, you need to fund all that silicon development.

They mentioned that in the last investment too. That seems like marketing to me as no one is doing bleeding edge research outside of the NVIDIA CUDA run ecosystem.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Curious if anyone knows the logistics of these cloud provider/AI company deals. In this case, it seems like the terms of the deal mean that Anthropic ends up spending most of the investment on AWS to pay for training. Does anthropic basically get at cost pricing on AWS? If Amazon has any margin on their pricing, it seems like this $4B investment ends up costing them a lot less, and this is a nice way to turn a cap ex…

i believe they get to book any investment of cloud credits as revenue, here’s a good thread explaining the grift: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39456140 basically you’re investing your own money in yourself which mostly nets out but you get to keep the equity (and then all the fool investors FOMO in on fake self dealing valuations)

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Normal people aren't paying for LLMs. If they ever do Apple and Google will offer it as a service built into your phone . For example, you could say ok Google call that restaurant me and My girlfriend had our first date at 5 years ago, set up something nice so I can propose. And I guess Google Gemini ( or whatever it's called at this point), Will hire a band, some photographers, and maybe even a therapist just in cas…

But why hire a therapist when Gemini is there to talk to? Re: Github Copilot: IME it's already behind. I finally gave Cursor a try after seeing it brought up so often, and its suggestions and refactors are leagues ahead of what Copilot can do.

Because the most important part of therapy for a lot of things is the human connection, not so much the knowledge. Therapy is important, the US system is just stupid

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Every single person I know who pays for an LLM is a developer who pays for Claude because of coding ability

Most people you know probably also voted for the Democratic candidate. Selection bias especially on HN is strong.

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