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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by tetromino_ »

rasz wrote: post #790
3vidence wrote: post #782

Am I the only one who thinks it's completely justified for leaders of both sides to be wanted for war crimes?? If someone assaults me and I retaliate by injuring their family members then both the assilant and me are both guilty for criminal assault. Maybe not a perfect analogy but that's what it seems has happened here...

Sure, like bullied kid getting suspended because all this trouble is because of him.

It's morally justified for a bullied kid to punch back (and punch hard). It's not morally justified for a bullied kid to chain the doors closed and set fire to the bully's apartment building.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by dlubarov »

nielsbot wrote: post #126
dankai wrote: post #62

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If you’re looking for death estimates there are other sources. The Lancet estimated 160K (at least IIRC) a month or two ago.

Not really, most of that number is a prediction of future deaths based on data from other conflicts.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by babkayaga »

throw310822 wrote: post #677
magic_hamster wrote: post #301

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Israel was massively radicalized by October 7th. Prior to October 7th, a lot of Israelis believed that if Palestinians had a better economy and could afford a comfortable life, peace would be possible. October 7th was not just a surprise to many Israelis, but also the atrocities were so horrible that it radically changed how Israelis view the situation. This is hard to grasp, but a lot of people don't really understa…

> Israel was massively radicalized by October 7th Israel had been locking Gaza in a total blockade for 17 years (with talk of "keeping them on a diet"), plus had bombed Gaza multiple times resulting in more than 5000 deaths (= 5 October 7ths- they called this "mowing the lawn". During these bombing campaigns we have pictures of Israelis enjoying the show from afar from observation points with food and drinks). In the…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by JasserInicide »

dotancohen wrote: post #789
cwkoss wrote: post #698

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Discussion about Trump winning had like 2k comments. There was also that Supreme Court ruling from earlier in the year about how presidents can't be held liable for criminal conduct or whatever.

HN is almost certainly not the place for it.

HN is a much better place than most of the Internet to discuss politics, this I know.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by babkayaga »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #690
magic_hamster wrote: post #301

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Israel was massively radicalized by October 7th. Prior to October 7th, a lot of Israelis believed that if Palestinians had a better economy and could afford a comfortable life, peace would be possible. October 7th was not just a surprise to many Israelis, but also the atrocities were so horrible that it radically changed how Israelis view the situation. This is hard to grasp, but a lot of people don't really understa…

It is telling that you also mention "better economy" and "comfortable life", but not "equal rights" or "self-government" or any such thing. Even with animals in the zoo one doesn't think that all they need is being well-fed.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by csomar »

KSteffensen wrote: post #100
ssijak wrote: post #37

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Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

Think about the crusader states[!] and Taiwan. You'll see a pattern there. Israel was important for the British, now the Americans and will be important for the next hegemon. It's a very old strategy used by empires to control whole regions. Having a whole "country" beats having a military base or an air-craft carrier by orders of magnitudes.

!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNVTvZm8JI&t

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by babkayaga »

WaxProlix wrote: post #693
magic_hamster wrote: post #301

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Israel was massively radicalized by October 7th. Prior to October 7th, a lot of Israelis believed that if Palestinians had a better economy and could afford a comfortable life, peace would be possible. October 7th was not just a surprise to many Israelis, but also the atrocities were so horrible that it radically changed how Israelis view the situation. This is hard to grasp, but a lot of people don't really understa…

Which atrocities? What wasn't shown on mainstream media? In my experience, most of what mainstream media claimed initially around atrocities was proven to be categorically false - up to and including the president of the USA going on live TV and lying about having seen evidence of baby killing, with staffers having to sheepishly and quietly release a "that didn't happen" statement later. Of course these retractions h…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by thrance »

3vidence wrote: post #782

Am I the only one who thinks it's completely justified for leaders of both sides to be wanted for war crimes?? If someone assaults me and I retaliate by injuring their family members then both the assilant and me are both guilty for criminal assault. Maybe not a perfect analogy but that's what it seems has happened here...

Also it goes much deeper than that. They were many masscres in Palestine before october 7th, and in Israel as well... A solution would necessarily involves less violence, not more, and at this very instant Israel is the one doing most of it.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by babkayaga »

TeaBrain wrote: post #471
tdeck wrote: post #381

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Yes. The PA is controlled by a party that staged a coup when Hamas won an election in Gaza and has been able to prevent elections since 2006.

This doesn't serve as evidence that the PA would be willing to arrest Hamas members.

ICC issued a warrant for very dead Muhammad Deif.
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