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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Yes. The PA is controlled by a party that staged a coup when Hamas won an election in Gaza and has been able to prevent elections since 2006.

This doesn't serve as evidence that the PA would be willing to arrest Hamas members.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

> any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully.

I'd imagine that if they were detained the IDF would put out quite a bit of effort to get them sprung from prison ... at any cost.

(Imagine if a former US leader was put in prison anywhere but the US).

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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I really don't think this belongs on the front page. It is a highly divisive political issue with strong radicalisation at the edges of any discourse on it.

I have my own strong opinions on it, but arguing it does not in my opinon belong on the front page here.

There are plenty of places you can go and have this discussion in as heated of a version as you prefer.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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>unless something is documented in a very specific gate-keeper approved way Using strict process and critical methodology is the only want to approximate truth. > observable reality right before our own eyes. We don't observe reality correctly with our eyes. We (including you and me) are naked monkeys. Petty, vindictive, and biased. Palestinians and Israeli Jews are just like us but live in a cesspool of religion, an…

> Using strict process and critical methodology is the only want to approximate truth

So now a person in position of power has deliberately obstructed this process.

Will you pretend that you have no data to act, or wake up and realise that you are dealing with a malicious entity and normal rules do not apppy?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

> any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. I'd imagine that if they were detained the IDF would put out quite a bit of effort to get them sprung from prison ... at any cost. (Imagine if a former US leader was put in prison anywhere but the US).

So you think Israel will start attacking European countries? I don't think that would work out well for them.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

"It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead." Correct, and that's what happened only about a decade after WWI—the War to End All Wars and look what happened. I'm fearful history might repeat itself. It has a bad habit of doing so and often with unexpected twists.

Justice has to be declared as an essential principle of human organisation.

If the 1984 vision of a boot stamping on a human face forever is going to work out to be true, then so be it.

The ICJ is at least holding out against that future.

What will you (as a human) choose to do?

These days and years are going to be definitional I think.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

There is indeed, as you state, political influence being exerted on courts. Most of that influence is in support of Israel and Netanyahu — do you really think there is significant political power and influence upon the ICC from Palestine or Hamas? Look at the amount AIPAC has contributed to pro-Israel politicians. It’s quite frankly absurd such a political organization exists under the guise of representing American Jews yet pretty much lobbies solely for Israeli geopolitical issues. Kennedy even tried to get it to register as a foreign agent. The fact that these warrants were issued despite the influence and leverage of Israel is a hint at how egregious the crimes are.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Nuclear war with whom?

The EU has a mutual defence clause, and one of the EU's member states, France, has nuclear strike capabilities, including at least one submarine with nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles on constant patrol somewhere in the oceans.

I doubt it would get to it, but if the US legitimately invades the Netherlands to rescue war criminals, France is more likely to side with the Netherlands than with the US.

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