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ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by HDThoreaun »

alexisread wrote: post #377
IncreasePosts wrote: post #260

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We give Jordan $1.6B/year, what does it give in return? What about Ethiopia at $2B/yr?

You could ask the same questions about that yes, but whataboutism does not answer the questions here. For Ethiopia it's flagged as humanitarian aid, and likely for Jordan as a result of the neighbouring Syria war. None of that is arms though, and critically more than the aid, why the legislation? What justifies making it illegal to stop investing in a country despite it's actions? Surely that's a commercial decision…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by LightBug1 »

vkou wrote: post #411
bluGill wrote: post #112

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You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Post by kombine »

tdeck wrote: post #395
mass_and_energy wrote: post #380

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> Many of us are going to have to reckon with the fact that the people committing these war crimes will be on our engineering teams in a few years.

Try to protest that and they will smear you as an antisemite and ruin your career.

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Post by youngtaff »

zer8k wrote: post #400
excalibur wrote: post #392

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Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for decades so it’s not really surprising that some portions of the Palestinian population is going to be ‘belligerent’ and commit horrific atrocities

Of course when we talk about Hamas we also have to talk about how Israel encourage and supported it’s creation so that it would undermine Fatah

There are people committing crimes against humanity on both sides, unfortunately it’s the innocents of the Palestinian population who bear most of the price (and of course those Israeli’s who were victims of Hamas on Oct 7th)

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Post by almogo »

EvgeniyZh wrote: post #305
dang wrote: post #38

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On HN, having some stories with political overlap is both inevitable and ok—the question is which particular stories those should be. We try to go for the ones that contain significant new information. See more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689 . This approach has been stable for many years and there's no intention to allow HN to become a primarily-political site (quite the contrary) but it also doesn'…

I don't think I've seen any pro-Israeli post in top since the beginning of the war. Definitely anything I submitted was flagged to death almost immediately, even if it was hacker-ish (say, the analysis of the Hamas statistics). You can say of course that users decide what they want, but for political stories at least I don't think it is straightforward

The HN community is strongly anti-Israel. Which is surprising, but then again, what's really still surprising these days?

I do think this news is major enough to justify being on HN. There is at least some useful discussions on the ICC that I found interesting, intermixed between the typical antisemitic messaging we're all-too used to seeing.

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Post by jowea »

h_tbob wrote: post #289

I don’t get why Israel waged war on Gaza instead of just going for the guy who ordered the attack. Any thoughts?

The guy is the Hamas leader who was killed recently? How would Israel get him? Special forces raid? He could hide anywhere in Gaza. And why would Israel want to do a decapitation instead of destroying the hostile organization? Even assuming Israel doesn't want to annex territory that seems like expecting the US to react to 9/11 by sending the Navy Seals after Bin Laden and stop it at that.

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Post by LightBug1 »

nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

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Post by hilbert42 »

rangestransform wrote: post #403
1024core wrote: post #267

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> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

yeah, the accused has no right to a jury trial with the ICC with the 6th amendment, signing the rome statute into law would be both unconstitutional and effectively subjecting US soldiers to a kangaroo court (in the eyes of the US)

True, and this more than highlights the great divide across the globe on the matter, it screams it out. One can only guess what the ramifications will be.

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Post by jowea »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #33

Wow, this took a long time to come after the application for the warrants. 185 days compared to 23 days for Putin's arrest warrant — but then again, one was against the wishes of the USA and the west while the other was at their behest.

My guess is that it's simply a matter of how difficult it is to prove the issue. The Putin case was very simply because there is an official state program to do things that are considered genocide. Israel is at least pretending they are letting aid in.
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