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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by noman-land »

immibis wrote: post #239
shihab wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens. Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

The Gaza ministry that would have counted the deaths was also destroyed several months ago, which is why news media have been reporting the same death total of 40,000 for several months.

I was wondering about this. Thanks for the info. Got any links where I can read more?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by rurp »

Qem wrote: post #226
bassrattle wrote: post #205

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That hardly seems objective. Every single statement I saw on the homepage was anti-Israeli. This Israeli government has done any number of horrible things, but it's a complicated situation that is not at all summed up well by "Israel bad". Acting like Hamas hasn't committed awful atrocities or that everything Israel does is bad isn't going to help innocent civilians caught up in this mess.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by MrMcCall »

bbqfog wrote: post #144
justin66 wrote: post #60

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> Did they really think that when they talk Hebrew to their audience, rest of the world does not hear them. When it comes to US public opinion, that's normally the way it works.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by TrackerFF »

BadHumans wrote: post #234
newspaper1 wrote: post #189

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What consequences? Even Trump isn't going to go to war for Netanyahu.

Using it as his justification for pulling out of NATO comes to mind.

Man, Trump isn't going to shit about leaving NATO. He'll moan about some countries not spending enough, that's about it.

Leaving NATO would mean closing US-bases in Europe overnight, not getting valuable intel from partners in NATO, jeopardizing US defense deals, and a million other things.

As always, it's grandstanding from Trump to get some extra bucks from his allies.

US pulling out of NATO would likely embolden China to make a move on Taiwan. Seeing how much of the US economy revolves around technology, I really don't think there's any other option than to defend Taiwan, as it stands. Sure - Europe also depends on chips from Taiwan, but they'd also be swamped in the Ukraine/Russia conflict.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by newspaper1 »

noman-land wrote: post #281
immibis wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gaza ministry that would have counted the deaths was also destroyed several months ago, which is why news media have been reporting the same death total of 40,000 for several months.

I was wondering about this. Thanks for the info. Got any links where I can read more?

This is a really good independent report on the death toll:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by jumping_frog »

KSteffensen wrote: post #100
ssijak wrote: post #37

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Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

According to Sachs, Israel has masterfully manipulated US influence to extend its global reach, primarily through AIPAC's incredibly efficient lobbying - spending just hundreds of millions to secure billions in aid and trillions in military spending. Netanyahu's strategy has been particularly clever, pushing the US to overthrow Middle Eastern governments that oppose Israeli policies, as seen with Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Through campaign financing, Israel has basically bought out Congress for surprisingly little money, ensuring the US consistently backs them internationally - like vetoing UN resolutions that favor Palestinians. This US shield is so strong that when the UN voted on Palestinian self-determination, only the US, Israel, and a couple other countries opposed it. Even when Biden sets boundaries for Israeli actions, they just ignore them without consequences. The whole system's genius lies in how Israel's managed to maintain its policies despite global opposition, though Sachs thinks this might backfire by making Israel too isolated and blocking any chance of a two-state solution.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by yyyk »

immibis wrote: post #239
shihab wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens. Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

The Gaza ministry that would have counted the deaths was also destroyed several months ago, which is why news media have been reporting the same death total of 40,000 for several months.

This is wrong. They are still reporting daily deaths counts, that counts have been going up. The Grauniad is good about collecting the reports (but bad about other unrelated things).

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by starik36 »

nielsbot wrote: post #149
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

Also important to note that Khan, who filed the warrant requests, was one of Israel’s preferred appointees to the ICC as chief prosecutor.

Why would it be preferred or not? Israel is not an ICC member.
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