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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by shihab »

dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens.

Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by PoignardAzur »

tuvocoical wrote: post #101
peppers-ghost wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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This isn't a claim you can drop without some very convincing source.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by cr__ »

sekai wrote: post #136
peppers-ghost wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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Why don’t we have reliable sources?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by bbqfog »

justin66 wrote: post #60
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

> Did they really think that when they talk Hebrew to their audience, rest of the world does not hear them. When it comes to US public opinion, that's normally the way it works.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by bbqfog »

bluGill wrote: post #112
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by PoignardAzur »

exe34 wrote: post #110
zarzavat wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the accused is currently in control of the crime scene, it's not surprising that the prosecution chose to prioritise the crimes that are easiest to prove.

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Alternate explanation: the ICC isn't making up the charges and Israel did commit war crimes and conceal them.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by adhamsalama »

StefanBatory wrote: post #96

Netanyahu I'm not surprised, but Gallant? EDIT: Asking genuinely on Gallant all I know is he was minister of defence and had a felling out with Netanyahu.

You're not surprised that the prime minister is accused of war crimes, but surprised the minister of defense is?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by nielsbot »

nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

Also important to note that Khan, who filed the warrant requests, was one of Israel’s preferred appointees to the ICC as chief prosecutor.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by [deleted] »

KSteffensen wrote: post #100
ssijak wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

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