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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by tuvocoical »

peppers-ghost wrote: post #76
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by nick3443 »

Cyph0n wrote: post #94
nick3443 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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1. Israel de facto controls the Rafah border. 2. Due to (1), and clear & consistent messaging by Israeli officials on Gaza resettlement as a goal, Egypt understands that “temporary” refugees will be unable to return - i.e., a repeat of 1948 and 1967.

Both sides are using the border as a bargaining chip. Both sides are complicit.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by PaulHoule »

justin66 wrote: post #60
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

> Did they really think that when they talk Hebrew to their audience, rest of the world does not hear them. When it comes to US public opinion, that's normally the way it works.

Thanks to our media and politicians.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ryuhhnn »

tuvocoical wrote: post #101
peppers-ghost wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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source?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

#106

Post by bawolff »

nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

I mean, nobody really knows until the trial (if one ever happens). Its easy to be convincing when you are just listening to the prosecution - it gets harder once the defense has the opportunity to poke holes.

Keep in mind the conviction rate at ICC is pretty low.

> The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law.

The court already disagreed with said panel on one of the charges (crime of extermination) and we aren't even at the stage yet where they need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Netanyahu and Gallant should certainly be quite worried (if they somehow find themselves in icc custody which seems unlikely) but we are still very far away from a conviction. Its not a foregone conclusion.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by [deleted] »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by tuvocoical »

roody15 wrote: post #99

What is the point of the ICC? Russia doesn't recognize it, Israel doesn't recognize it and even the United States doesn't recognize it. I am confused at what these warrants even mean.

In this case, to make a political statement against Israel and their leadership.

Note that the only member of Hamas indicted, Mohammed Deif, will never see a day in court. As the ICC already knows, he was killed in an airstrike earlier this year.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by wslh »

ssijak wrote: post #59
threemux wrote: post #51

Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

The Netherlands said that they would arrest anybody accused. That would be peculiar to see, what would actually happen if anybody of the accused were to travel there.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by exe34 »

zarzavat wrote: post #75
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

Given that the accused is currently in control of the crime scene, it's not surprising that the prosecution chose to prioritise the crimes that are easiest to prove.

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