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Post by this_user »

neom wrote: post #70
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what power does the ICC have to carry out its sentencing if the US chooses to disagree with it? Same with The Hague court, where the US said its soldiers would be imune from standing trial for crimes. So if these international courts are only allowed selective enforcement, what's the point of their existence? To only prosecute people the US doesn't choose to protect? Then what's the line between good gu…

There are many signatories who are obliged to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant: https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties

There is pretty much no way to enforce so-called "international law" other than through sanctions or direct military action. Germany is not going to arrest Netanyahu if he visited the country. What would be the consequence of that? Nothing of substance, maybe a sternly worded letter from the ICC, but there are no effective and practical means of forcing them to act.

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Post by javagram »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #78
neom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many signatories who are obliged to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant: https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties

Obliged by who? The US can choose to wipe their ass with whatever they signed and arbitrarily say NO to a request they don't like. Who's gonna hold them accountable for breaking their signed agreement? Wasn't there the same pitfall with the League of Nations?

The U.S. has never signed the treaty creating the ICC anyway.

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Post by bawolff »

dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

> Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2].

IANAL but this is probably incorrect i think - the starvation charge is related to allegations of intentionally restricting neccesities of life. Whether anyone dies as a result is irrelavent to that charge. The murder charge is for the people who actually allegedly died as a result (of the starvation that is. To be clear, the death has to illegal for it to be the war crime of murder. Normal combat death is not murder).

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Post by Cyph0n »

nick3443 wrote: post #67
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

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1. Israel de facto controls the Rafah border.

2. Due to (1), and clear & consistent messaging by Israeli officials on Gaza resettlement as a goal, Egypt understands that “temporary” refugees will be unable to return - i.e., a repeat of 1948 and 1967.

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Post by h8dh8es8edh8 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #33

Wow, this took a long time to come after the application for the warrants. 185 days compared to 23 days for Putin's arrest warrant — but then again, one was against the wishes of the USA and the west while the other was at their behest.

I wouldn't say "and the west" without more qualifications. The USA and Germany are solidly behind whatever the Israeli government does. England a bit less so and the rest of "the west" (however you want to define it) is more ambivalent. My point is that if only two countries (the USA and Germany) would make their support more conditional (conditional on the israeli government not commiting war crimes for example), then things could change a lot

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Post by KSteffensen »

ssijak wrote: post #37
xenospn wrote: post #20

When was the last time a head of state was arrested by the ICC?

Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.
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