This will quietly die off after Jan 20. Nothing to see here.
Not necessarily. The state of Colorado is one of the plaintiffs.
DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]
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The most likely answer is that it will take the Linux model, with a foundation put together to fund Chrome's development. Then all of the parties interested in people having access to the Web, including Google, will have an incentive to fund this without requiring it to push their specific products.
Chrome currently has far more paid full time engineers than the linux kernel does. I struggle to see how they get paid - except again, by charging search engines to be the default browser or something.
> Chrome currently has far more paid full time engineers than the linux kernel does.
Are you sure? Do you know how many people work on Chrome? 2,000 people contributed to Linux 6.12. only a small portion of those will be full time but it's still likely many hundred full-time-equivalent engineers.
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Chrome does a lot of things. I know there are downsides and many people don't agree, but I think overall the browser/internet experience would benefit from simpler browsers that don't move so fast.
> I think overall the browser/internet experience would benefit from simpler browsers that don't move so fast. I wish browsers moved faster so that I don't have to download so many native apps. Native mobile apps are monitoring me continuously, and way more opaquely than web apps. More importantly, they can't be thwarted by plugins. As a mobile Firefox and Desktop Chrome user, I wish browsers (especially FF) moved fa…
Lots of native apps could be websites right now, it's not a matter of technical limitations.
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IMO the best split would be: - All Google consumer devices and products (Pixel, Chrome, Android, Nest) - Search - Ads - YouTube Search, Ads and YouTube could all survive and prosper on their own and then the Google devices company can pursue a similar strategy to Apple, have devices pay for software.
How could search survive without ads? Charge users per search?
Sell ads to the highest bidder which could be the other entity or someone else.
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Chrome currently has far more paid full time engineers than the linux kernel does. I struggle to see how they get paid - except again, by charging search engines to be the default browser or something.
> Chrome currently has far more paid full time engineers than the linux kernel does. Are you sure? Do you know how many people work on Chrome? 2,000 people contributed to Linux 6.12. only a small portion of those will be full time but it's still likely many hundred full-time-equivalent engineers.
I think so. About a decade ago I remember hearing that the chrome team had about 1000 full time engineers. I suspect the number has grown over time.
Looking at the number of lines of code, the linux kernel is just barely ahead of chromium now (39m loc vs 36m). But that doesn't include all the proprietary parts of chrome that aren't in chromium - like their binary updating system, h264 decoder, built in google account support, and so on.
https://openhub.net/p/linux/analyses/latest/languages_summar...
https://openhub.net/p/chrome/analyses/latest/languages_summa...
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I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.
Almost certainly not. If he runs it will be by ignoring the Constitution, and at that point we’re legitimately in civil war territory.
> If he runs it will be by ignoring the Constitution
He's already done that—section 3 of the 14th amendment should have prohibited him from becoming president. It went to the Supreme Court, and they decided they didn't care. If the 14th amendment could be ignored, why not the 22nd?
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IMO, Chrome does not move fast enough . The fact of the matter is that the web has been dying because people have moved to mobile devices, where they prefer native apps. If you're advocating for slower development of browsers, you're also advocating for the death of the open web.
Almost nothing Google ships at neck-breaking speed makes the web better, or faster, or a better open web.
JS has been moving at excellent speeds and Google has moved the web to evergreen. If anything I’d argue that without the specter of regulation then we might’ve had Dart or something new in the browser by now.
The biggest existential risk to the web is that it’s not good enough. It’s being threatened by sharp innovation in other spaces - may the Vision Pro never come down in price or improve in UX.
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But why would they if they're forbidden from getting any benefit from Chrome?
Why does everyone contribute to Linux?
Linux is foundational to everyone and there isn’t an obvious alternative. What companies care about Safari vs Chrome? From the perspective of other companies, what’s wrong with Safari and Edge taking command?