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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by xtracto »

trey-jones wrote: post #72
xtracto wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is people that use their autocomplete, F8 step through debugging and the like. I was like that about 20 years ago, working with Eclipse and later NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for C# .net v1 (anyone remembers whole tomato extensions?). I needed the IDE , the autocomplete, the debugger and all that. Nowadays, I do mostly Vim and Vscode for more complex projects. I don't know why, but I "grew out" of nee…

The weird thing about comments like these is that of course you can do all of this stuff with Emacs, you just have to figure out how.

Haha I'm a vi guy never used emacs. Not meaning to start a war.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by xtracto »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #43
xtracto wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is people that use their autocomplete, F8 step through debugging and the like. I was like that about 20 years ago, working with Eclipse and later NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for C# .net v1 (anyone remembers whole tomato extensions?). I needed the IDE , the autocomplete, the debugger and all that. Nowadays, I do mostly Vim and Vscode for more complex projects. I don't know why, but I "grew out" of nee…

Are you using Vim and VSCode in plain text for everything? Or do you still like the language server, syntax highlighting and the like?

Language server and plenty of plug-ins. I haven't used a debugger proper in more than 10 years I think... only ollydbg for cracking fun.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by Apofis »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I'm one of those people that doesn't like polluting his brain with a ton of keyboard shortcuts and likes clicking with a mouse on stuff and is just more efficient with it. I've seen video clips of "efficient" terminal text editor use, and while it looks cool in a hacker way, it just isn't any faster than what I do without all of the overhead of memorizing a ton of keyboard shortcuts and editor commands.

I would definitely much rather install VSCode or an IntelliJ product on a Jr's machine, show them how to setup their terminal, get their dev environment setup, how to run and debug the app, and off they go. Edit code. Run code. Debug code. Rinse repeat.

Much more reasonable and preferable to having them spend months learning Emacs. Let's remember, they likely don't know how to use the terminal either these days.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by sshine »

vincent-manis wrote: post #136
elashri wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amen to that. Although I think I feel like I am participating in a war I don't want to be part of. But this has been a line in my shell config since I was teenager. export EDITOR=vim VISUAL=vim # Viva vim, death to emacs

OK, since we're wasting our time on the Pointless Editor War, I shall confess I know exactly one thing about Vim, the command `:q!'. That's all I've ever needed to know.

It’s one third of what you’ll ever need to use Vim:

  i
  :w
  :q

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by fragmede »

sshine wrote: post #144
vincent-manis wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, since we're wasting our time on the Pointless Editor War, I shall confess I know exactly one thing about Vim, the command `:q!'. That's all I've ever needed to know.

It’s one third of what you’ll ever need to use Vim: i :w :q

Vim added :x though it doesn't exist in Vim

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by _generic »

sshine wrote: post #144
vincent-manis wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, since we're wasting our time on the Pointless Editor War, I shall confess I know exactly one thing about Vim, the command `:q!'. That's all I've ever needed to know.

It’s one third of what you’ll ever need to use Vim: i :w :q

You can use :wq to do both at the same time.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by llm_trw »

stackghost wrote: post #133
llm_trw wrote: post #130

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An editor is the least interesting thing to learn in computer engineering. If you enjoy wasting your time may I suggest something like stamp collecting that doesn't create billions of dollars of lost productivity for the rest of us?

Misrepresenting my comments as you have done shows how weak your position is. Don't bother replying further as I will not read it.

You should write them in a superior text editor like Emacs so they are clearer.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by bitwize »

xtracto wrote: post #23
toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

But this is people that use their autocomplete, F8 step through debugging and the like. I was like that about 20 years ago, working with Eclipse and later NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for C# .net v1 (anyone remembers whole tomato extensions?). I needed the IDE , the autocomplete, the debugger and all that. Nowadays, I do mostly Vim and Vscode for more complex projects. I don't know why, but I "grew out" of nee…

Shudder to think that in 20 years (or less!) there will be a generation of programmers who suckled at the teat of ChatGPT and firmly believe that software is impossible to write without LLM help.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by bawolff »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #139
bawolff wrote: post #38

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Maybe i just never gave the heavyweight ide tools a fair chance, but i always found them more distracting than helpful. Focus is king for me, and vim gives me that.

VSCode is not a heavyweight IDE by any means.

Its all relative.
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