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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by Tainnor »

willio58 wrote: post #3

I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with (how much they are based in reality aside), I would just leave. If the company isn't aligning with you on something you feel passionately about, just leave. There are oodles of companies out there that would align with you on this.

"Decisions that I disagree with" are one thing, treating people like children and telling them how to work is quite ridiculous. Yes, not everyone can afford to leave, but I definitely would at that point.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by trey-jones »

xtracto wrote: post #23
toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

But this is people that use their autocomplete, F8 step through debugging and the like. I was like that about 20 years ago, working with Eclipse and later NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for C# .net v1 (anyone remembers whole tomato extensions?). I needed the IDE , the autocomplete, the debugger and all that. Nowadays, I do mostly Vim and Vscode for more complex projects. I don't know why, but I "grew out" of nee…

The weird thing about comments like these is that of course you can do all of this stuff with Emacs, you just have to figure out how.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by yapyap »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

or, if you’re feeling spicy go for Doom Emacs

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by wikiperson »

FredPret wrote: post #29
subhro wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you understand how privileged you are to be able to say that and hopefully do what you say.

This is so tiresome. If you’re reading this you’re privileged. Somewhere on this planet is a single individual human who is the very unluckiest and most unfortunate. Everyone else is privileged. Even that guy is lucky to be alive now and not 1000 years ago. None of this makes OP wrong.

Yet, it doesn't mean that quitting is always going to be the solution. There are specific conditions that need to be met (sufficient savings, decent possibilities to get a similar job, and so on) in order for quitting to not hurt you financially and professionally. Yes, everyone can be seen as "privileged" if we compare our lives to how it was back then, but that doesn't dismiss the issue.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by jimnotgym »

irrational wrote: post #41
teddyh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who write “our only real option is VSCode” about Python and Go programmers are ignorant of what Emacs can do. Some people may prefer something else, but Emacs is a real option.

Or, they are aware of what Emacs can do and still consider it to not be a real option for other reasons.

Because they already opened Vim, and haven't worked out how to quit yet?

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by gorbachev »

curiousgal wrote: post #33
phplovesong wrote: post #7

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

Let's suppose that's true, so what? Is Putin Satan now? I don't see anyone rushing to boycott US companies over its state policy... Intellij is a great product, I would still use it even if it were Israeli.

"Is Putin Satan now?"

Yes.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by imp0cat »

nineplay wrote: post #25
toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I probably used vim exclusively for about a decade. I've worked with a handful of developers who've only used vim and I've only known one who was anywhere near as effective with it as most IDE users. A few examples -- debugging with print statement because they don't know how to use a command line debugger -- using find and grep to find files/methods -- hand-formatting files because they don't have a inline formatter…

Care to elaborate what's wrong with find and grep?

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by csdreamer7 »

Zambyte wrote: post #62
csdreamer7 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly disagree, but I am in a niche field, Linux kernel development. Emacs is really struggling with it's tools. But for Neovim: the plugins and good keycombos are absolutely essential to get certain functionality for my productivity. * rg with telescope window to quickly find text in very large code basis is essential. * Pressing spc, spc, to bring up a telescope window of my open buffers and typing in text to na…

Emacs is doing fine too.

I struggle to find good bundles for Emacs. Doom Emacs is struggling with migrating their plugins. Most programmers I know use Emacs with few plugins and not the better IDE like plugins in Neovim.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by mixmastamyk »

nineplay wrote: post #25
toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

I probably used vim exclusively for about a decade. I've worked with a handful of developers who've only used vim and I've only known one who was anywhere near as effective with it as most IDE users. A few examples -- debugging with print statement because they don't know how to use a command line debugger -- using find and grep to find files/methods -- hand-formatting files because they don't have a inline formatter…

A person not using an IDE is more likely to be proficient in command line tools, not less.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by binary132 »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #39
awestroke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not, ignorance is not the main reason people don't use emacs

The main reason is that Vim is better, right?

”Using vi is not a sin, it’s a penance” - you know who
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