How scared should we be?
ChatGPT Search
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Re: ChatGPT Search
#772Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…
This is why I initially held off on using ChatGPT: as a computer scientist, I was focused on testing adversarial strategies and approaching it with a hacker mindset. My takeaway? This isn’t the best way to use LLMs. They’re actually fantastic tools for quickly understanding, and then verifying information. While they can reduce the need for extensive searches, they also help uncover concepts you might not know, especially when you engage in dialogue.
I also search on Google and find "hallucinations": pages with false content that rank better than the real information. In Google the current issue is about ranking and forgetting information that was previously available.
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> absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. Thankfully, Kagi also have a toggle to completely turn that crap (AI) off so it never appears. Personally, I have absolutely no use for a product that can randomly generate false information. I'm not even interested until that's solved. (If/when it ever is though, at that point I'm open to taking a look) So yeah, Kagi definitely "leads the way" on this. By giving the use…
You have no use for a product that can randomly generate false information but you trust google to provide you with search results based on how much they were paid for those keywords?… give me ai hallucinations over google every day of the week and twice on sunday…
> but you trust google
???
Looks like my comment wasn't as clear as I thought. I do not trust Google at all, and don't use it. That's why I pay for Kagi.
And Kagi has an option to disable the AI crap, so it's just like "a good search engine" instead, which is all I need.
A high quality search engine without ads, and without hallucinated bullshit.
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#775Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…
I ask myself why did we accept pre 2010s answers, maybe because the media institutions had accumulated enough trust ? I feel this unavoidable.. nothing is true unless there's a threshold of quality/verification in place across the system.
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#776Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…
Chatgpt and perplexity both answer that question perfectly fine.
Embarrassingly enough, Google's Gemini Advanced (which I got for free with a Pixel Pro phone but would cost 200$+/y) failed to answer it.
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> To paraphrase a recent conversation I had with a friend: "in the USA, can illegal immigrants vote?" has a single truthful answer ("no" obviously) Er, no, the meaning of the question is ambiguous, so I'm not sure "has a single truthful answer" is accurate. What does "can" mean? If you mean "permitted", then no. But if you mean can they vote anyway and get away with it? It's clearly happened before (as rare as it mig…
If they got away with it then how do you know it's happened?
To answer the general question, of "if somebody got away with X, how can we know it happened?":
If somebody robbed a bank at gunpoint and was never caught, can we know it happened? Obviously yes.
What if somebody "merely" embezzled from one, and there's a "hole" found in the banks books and money missing, but nobody who did it or how? Still, I'd wager yes, one coudl tell by the results.
What if somebody used illegal means to get leverage on some stock buying/selling, it became know, but they weren't punished and got to keep their profits? They got away with it, but we do know it happened.
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I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…
> A better example might be "is dietary saturated fat a major factor for heart disease in Western countries?". The current government publications (which answer "yes") for this are probably wrong based on recent research. The government cannot be relied upon as a source of truth for this. I know it was just an example, but actually no, the role of dietary saturated fat as a factor for heart disease remains very much…
>you can't undo over 50 years of research on the subject so easily
Sure you can if the research was bogus to begin with, sponsored in many cases, and merely taking for granted/referencing some previous results without verifying them, which is often the case.
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#779Amazing, it can show me the weather if I type "what's the weather" and tripadvisor slop if I type "places to eat in $place". Truly revolutionary, let's bump their valuation by another 50 bil
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Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…
Google search is completely broken IMO. I stopped using Google search years ago and every time I go back on the off chance that it's bigger index has something that DuckDuckGo couldn't find for me. Image search isn't great either but it still often gives me something close and that usually satisfies my image searching needs. I still find YouTube recommendations quite good for me, but there are occasional ones I've wa…
Exact same experience, YouTube recommendations (in incognito without being logged in!) usually give me stuff related to the video in watching.
However when they don't, it's invariably to push some alt-right slop down my throat. Video is about a comedian? Suggestion "feminist woke takedown compilation". Video about news? Suggestion "$european_far_right_party's channel says gypsies are subhuman". Video about economics? Suggestion is Jordan Peterson ranting about something. And so on and so on. It's pretty tiring.