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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by disqard »

radicality wrote: post #509
gr__or wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how it’s different to Perplexity, looks pretty much the same. Can you enlighten me?

Not op, but Kagi user. Also have perplexity but usually use kagi. I would say: 1) The UI. You’re still performing normal searches in Kagi. But if you hit q, or end your query with a question mark, you get an llm synthesized answer at the top, but can still browse and click through the normal search results. 2) Kagi has personalization, ie you uprank/downrank/block domains, so the synthesized llm answer should usually…

Paying customer of Kagi here.

In addition to all that's been written above, you can configure personal filters, so that (for example) you never ever see a pinterest page in your search results. Things like that are IMO killer features today.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by unnouinceput »

astrange wrote: post #457
unnouinceput wrote: post #140

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OpenAI is Microsoft. Microsoft is a FAANG giant.

Microsoft is literally not in "FAANG". But they are in MANGA.

Before FAANG the acronym was MAFANG, but due to too much closeness to a slang word, the political correct crowd change it to FAANG. Also, just as a side note, Microsoft is a trillion worth more than the "G" in FAANG.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by sbeckeriv »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #510
alfalfasprout wrote: post #458

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Yep, I was incredibly skeptical about Kagi but I tried it and never looked back. Now my wife, friends, and several coworkers are customers. The chatgpt approach to search just feels forced and not as intuitive.

Once Kagi implements location aware search that is actually useful I’ll be interested in Kagi. That’s what made me leave the engine besides loving it otherwise.

If you go to maps.kagi.com and in allow access to your location local results should be better. If it doesnt ask for access to your location there is a small icon on bottom right hand side that shows if it has access.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by zeven7 »

umvi wrote: post #451
whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Searching for a song by typing in lyrics is specifically a feature I’ve noticed Google can’t do any more. And it used to be able to.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by das_keyboard »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #337

ok, so you now have to type "What's the weather in Positano?", because typing "Positano weather" into Google was too difficult.

This! So much this!

I don't understand how this point doesn't come up more often. I don't want to waste time to formulate a question when I can just use 2-3 keywords to get a result with traditional search.

Imagine having to type "What does this error message mean..." Everytime you paste an error message into Google/ddg/kagi.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by generalizations »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #525
freedomben wrote: post #436

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I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…

> Why would anyone ever publish stuff on the web for free unless it was just a hobby

That's exactly what the old deal was, and it's what made the old web so good. If every paid or ad-funded site died tomorrow, the web would be pretty much healed.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by crabmusket »

freedomben wrote: post #436
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

I wouldn't usually point this out, but as you did it repeatedly: "they're" is a contraction of "they are". You're looking for the possessive, "their".

- Your local grammar pedant

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by luckydata »

Xcelerate wrote: post #12

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

It's absolutely coming. I'm curious to see what their ad units will look like. IMHO ads in an LLM search world will look more like Facebook ads than Google ads. Brand advertising will stay focused on YouTube while click to buy and click to download are probably the best fit for the medium.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by pensatoio »

freedomben wrote: post #436
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

I gave Kagi a shot two weeks ago, and it instantly impressed me. I didn't realize how much search could be improved. It's a beautiful, helpful experience.
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